Friday, September 2, 2016

TSA Week in Review August 26th - September 1st

Discovered firearms image

TSA discovered 58 firearms this week in carry-on bags around the nation. Of the 58 firearms discovered, 48 were loaded and 17 had a round chambered. All of the firearms pictured were discovered in the last week. See a complete list below.

Discovered knives image

A concealed knife was discovered in a wheelchair cushion at LaGuardia (LGA) this week.   

Discovered cane swords image

A sword cane was discovered in a traveler’s carry-on property at Baltimore (BWI).  

Discovered knives image
Clockwise from the top, these knives were discovered at: SYR, SYR, SBP, IAD, TPA, IAH, PHX, PHX and BUR





Table for discovered firearms in carry-on bags list
When packed properly, ammunition can be transported in your checked baggage, but it is never permissible to pack ammo in your carry-on bag.

You can travel with your firearms in checked baggage, but they must first be declared to the airline.


Firearm possession laws vary by state and locality. Travelers should familiarize themselves with state and local firearm laws for each point of travel prior to departure.

Unfortunately these sorts of occurrences are all too frequent which is why we talk about these finds. Sure, it’s great to share the things that our officers are finding, but at the same time, each time we find a dangerous item, the line is slowed down and a passenger that likely had no ill intent ends up with a citation or in some cases is even arrested. The passenger can face a penalty as high as $11,000. This is a friendly reminder to please leave these items at home. Just because we find a prohibited item on an individual does not mean they had bad intentions; that's for the law enforcement officer to decide. In many cases, people simply forgot they had these items.

*In order to provide a timely weekly update, this data is compiled from a preliminary report. The year-end numbers will vary slightly from what is reported in the weekly updates. However, any monthly, midyear or end-of-year numbers TSA provides on this blog or elsewhere will be actual numbers and not estimates.

Read our 2015 Year in Review post! If you haven’t read them yet, make sure you check out our year in review posts for 2011, 2012, 2013, and 2014.

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Bob Burns
TSA Social Media Team

44 comments:

Fix the TSA said...

West, were all of the "scary" weapons Bob posted above confiscated by the TSA?

58 weapons this week is a huge drop from the number found a few weeks ago. Why is there such a difference?

Are the high confiscation weeks when TSA is being inspected and tested?

Maybe it doesn't matter if you find 58 or seventy-something. Is still statistically insignificant to the number of passengers that flew last week - 12,000,000.

GSOLTSO said...

Fix sez - "West, were all of the "scary" weapons Bob posted above confiscated by the TSA?"

TSA does not confiscate anything.


Fix also sez - "58 weapons this week is a huge drop from the number found a few weeks ago. Why is there such a difference?"

I have no idea, there may be a correlation between passenger numbers and amounts found, but I have not done a statistical analysis of the break down. Traditionally, the week before Labor Day, on our local level, we have fewer flights scheduled and fewer passengers. Whether that translates to the larger airports or not, I am not sure - but we do see a local decrease of pretty much everything (prohibited item surrenders, firearms, etc).

West
TSA Blog Team

Doober said...

West, an item to which the TSA does not allow a passenger to determine final disposition has been confiscated by the TSA. In the case of guns, they are confiscated and held for final disposition by the PD.

“All we’re permitted to do is confiscate the weapon and call law enforcement agents, who then will take custody of it and determine whether or not you’re arrested,” said Mr. Castelveter, who is part of the security agency’s effort to notify local news media to aggressively publicize reports of guns and other prohibited weapons being found at checkpoints.

Confiscate: verb: confiscate; 3rd person present: confiscates; past tense: confiscated; past participle: confiscated; gerund or present participle: confiscating

take or seize (someone's property) with authority

screen shot/DHS IG statement

Boldly said...

Maybe it doesn't matter if you find 58 or seventy-something. Is still statistically insignificant to the number of passengers that flew last week - 12,000,000.

it only takes one.

Wintermute said...

"TSA does not confiscate anything."

Ok. Change "confiscate" to "voluntarily surrender (under duress)" if you must play word games, but I'm sure you know what was meant.

Fix the TSA said...

West, we know you're not allowed or choose not to say the TSA seizes or confiscates private property from innocent passengers, even though that is what it does every single day.

Whoever came up with the term "voluntarily surrendered" for government-sponsored confiscation must be the same bureaucratic wordsmith who thought up "enhanced interrogation" for government-sponsored torture and "extraordinary rendition" for government-sponsored kidnapping.

And you didn't answer my question. I'll try again, so no more games, okay? You know what I'm saying. If you are forced or choose to use different terms, do so, but answer the questions, please. That isn't hard to do, right?

Did all of the "scary" weapons shown above permanently leave the possession of the passengers who were carrying them?

Did all of those "scary" weapons end up in the possession of a government agency, such a real law enforcement or the TSA?

What government agency takes possession of inert, replica, and toy weapons found in passengers' carryon or checked baggage? What happens to those inert, replica, and toy weapons?

Chip and Andy said...

Aaaaaaannndddd still no Terrorist connected to any of the finds this week.

And no, you don't get a gold star for doing the most basic part of your job.

Chip and Andy said...

Oh, and if you are going to require us to have a valid registration to comment then can we expect the comments moderation to happen in a more timely manner?

Fix the TSA said...

Boldy, none of the "ones" you fear so badly have appeared, despite the thousands of weapons the TSA misses every month.

You're more likely to be struck by lightning than die on a US plane from a terror attack.

Not worth the $100,000,000,000+ the TSA has wasted so far.

GSOLTSO said...

Wintermute sez - "Ok. Change "confiscate" to "voluntarily surrender (under duress)" if you must play word games, but I'm sure you know what was meant."

Fix - sez "West, we know you're not allowed or choose not to say the TSA seizes or confiscates private property from innocent passengers, even though that is what it does every single day."

I do not have to change the terminology, it is an apt description of what happens. I have explained it here many times -

Prohibited item is discovered
Passenger is given the option to return to the non-sterile area and place the item with friends, family, their car, their checked baggage, a trash can, a contact that works at the airport, mail it to themselves - essentially, they have the option to leave the checkpoint and retain possession of the item, or dispose of it in a fashion that they choose. If the passenger *chooses* not to avail themselves of the options above, then they *voluntarily abandon* the item(s) to TSA for disposal.

There are some situations that are special and confiscation may happen (weapons, explosives, incendiaries). That confiscation is done by local LEOs, not TSA. Using different terminology is not going to change those facts, regardless of how many times it is posted.

I understand that travelers do not always have enough time to take advantage of the options available to them. This is part of the reason why the agency clearly posts the regulations at each checkpoint, at each check-in area (at least at every check-in area I have been through or worked at), and online - as an effort to try and cut down on prohibited items.

Final disposition (disposal, resale, departmental usage) of items actually confiscated, is determined by the confiscating organization. The confiscating organization is the local LEO (at least that is the only group I have seen confiscate items).

As to whether all of the items in the images for this post "permanently left the possession of the passenger that was carrying them" - I do not know. There could be a case where the passenger kept on of the pictured items, especially the knives and similar items, many passengers take those back out every day.

Items voluntarily surrendered to TSA are disposed of according to GSA rules, you can read our previous blog post about it here -

http://blog.tsa.gov/2009/09/what-happens-to-your-prohibited-items.html


West
TSA Blog Team

RB said...

If a person is found with a knife or handgun can they just pack up and leave the airport?

If not are they detained by TSA until LEO's arrive?

If that is the case then not only has TSA caused a "detention" but has "seized" the item. I think that meets every definition of the word "confiscate"!

RB said...

Why did the TSA blog eliminate the ability to post as Anon?

Boldly said...

Boldy, none of the "ones" you fear so badly have appeared, despite the thousands of weapons the TSA misses every month. as far as you know. But that is an assumption. There really is no way to know for sure.

You're more likely to be struck by lightning than die on a US plane from a terror attack. thank you TSA

Not worth the $100,000,000,000+ the TSA has wasted so far. that is certainly your opinion and you are welcome to it. I don't happen to share that opinion.

Doober said...

West wrote: "Passenger is given the option...."

I know it doesn't happen at your airport, West, but do you have any clue as to how often a screener will just toss an item in the trash without so much as a "by your leave" to a passenger?

Just because TSA issues a protocol it doesn't mean that protocol is followed.

Why not address David Castelveter's statement, West? I know he was only the Deputy Assistant Administrator for Strategic Communications and Public Relations at the TSA, but one would think that he might know what he's talking about.

screen shot/DHS OIG statement

GSOLTSO said...

Doober sez - "West, an item to which the TSA does not allow a passenger to determine final disposition has been confiscated by the TSA."

The passenger is given the options (at least, per regulations and SOP, they are supposed to be given the same options every single time - limited exception with dangerous items), which makes the final disposition the decision of the passenger, not TSA.

RB sez - "If a person is found with a knife or handgun can they just pack up and leave the airport?"

TSA does not prevent the person from leaving (physically). TSA will retain control of items deemed a possible threat until they are cleared, or until they are turned over to local LEOs that assume control of a situation (usually WEI or other items deemed to be possibly dangerous and needing LEO intervention). If a passenger does not finish the screening process, they will not be allowed to enter the sterile area, further, they will also have interaction with local LEOs, as they would be leaving unattended items in the checkpoint (the item that has not been cleared).


Doober sez - "I know it doesn't happen at your airport, West, but do you have any clue as to how often a screener will just toss an item in the trash without so much as a "by your leave" to a passenger?"

Then those TSOs are wrong, period. I have said so since I started working with TSA and have not changed my tune. I will say that to anyone, anywhere - to include the Administrator or you if we ever meet face to face. It is unacceptable that we have TSOs that can't follow the basics of our job. If you have this happen, please file a complaint with the local STSO, or fill out a comment card at the location you are transiting. If you do not feel comfortable doing that, please file a complaint at our "Contact Us" page - https://www.tsa.gov/contact/customer-service

Doober also sez - "Why not address David Castelveter's statement, West? I know he was only the Deputy Assistant Administrator for Strategic Communications and Public Relations at the TSA, but one would think that he might know what he's talking about."

I have addressed this as much as I possibly can. If we have anyone for the organization using the word "confiscate", they are wrong in the wording they are using. TSA does not confiscate anything, and I have sent several messages up the chain to try and insure that none of our spokespeople use that word - as it is an incorrect statement. When was the above quote published?

West
TSA Blog Team

Doober said...

Wow, West, I bet that all those "up the line" really appreciate your telling them which words are appropriate and which words aren't, in your mind. SMH

screen shot/DHS OIG statement

Doober said...

"We just keep track of the confiscations, because the police don’t always keep us apprised of what happens,” Castelveter said. ”We don’t pay attention to the arrest unless it turns into an indictment and we have an agent give testimony in a trial.”

Or

"All have been confiscated from travelers screened at TSA checkpoints, Lisa Farbstein, TSA spokeswoman at the airport, said Thursday afternoon."

All three comments came between 2009 and 2014, West. I’ve not looked for any quote since then as these suffice to prove that the TSA does confiscate.

Further proof that the TSA confiscates is use of the word is so many articles on checkpoint confiscations. If TSA does not confiscate, it would not allow the word to be used in those articles or it would refute the use of the word. I've never seen that.

But it could be another job for you, West - advising the media that the TSA doesn't confiscate and that it must not use that word.

Chip and Andy said...

RB said...Why did the TSA blog eliminate the ability to post as Anon?

And if we have to have a google account to prove we aren't whatever we are supposed to not be why are the moderators taking as long or longer to approve comments? I have a google account, I ticked the box that say's I am not a robot, so why does it still take three or more days for my comment to get posted?

Klasychic said...

I am blown away how stupid people are to bring fire arms or weapons of any kind. Even my 11 year old daughter knows the items you can and cannot bring as we travel back home to see family a lot. Are the criminals doing this or people being stupid? Kind worries me some. I think the TSA does a great job. They are very thorough and I have seen them stop people for the smallest thing...which is good! A small annoyance could save your life.

RB said...

GSOLTSO said...

RB sez - "If a person is found with a knife or handgun can they just pack up and leave the airport?"

TSA does not prevent the person from leaving (physically). TSA will retain control of items deemed a possible threat until they are cleared, or until they are turned over to local LEOs that assume control of a situation (usually WEI or other items deemed to be possibly dangerous and needing LEO intervention). If a passenger does not finish the screening process, they will not be allowed to enter the sterile area, further, they will also have interaction with local LEOs, as they would be leaving unattended items in the checkpoint (the item that has not been cleared).




West
TSA Blog Team

September 10, 2016 at 5:31 AM

"Retain control"! Confiscate. No difference West. When will you man up and admit that what TSA does is exactly what people have been saying for 14 years now.

You can call it anything you want but that will not change the facts.

Chip and Andy said...

Klasychic said..."I am blown away how stupid people are to bring fire arms or weapons of any kind. ...Are the criminals doing this "

The lack of arrests indicates they are not criminals. As for the rest of your statement.... opinions and such.

Boldly said...

Aaaaaaannndddd still no Terrorist connected to any of the finds this week.

How is it you know these things? Do you talk to those who bring these things to an airport? Since when is TSA in charge of catching terrorists? Not in their job description.

Boldly said...

You can call it anything you want but that will not change the facts.

as can you. Every passenger is given the choice. It is 100% up to them. They decide what happens to their property. call it confiscate, steal, or what ever you want, nobody is forced to abandon their property and no matter how many times you and others say it, it wont change the facts.

Fix the TSA said...

Hey Bob,

Take a look at the font size for this blog post - it is quite a bit larger any other post (viewing in Chrome).

Wintermute said...

Except when they aren't. I've witnessed screeners tell people to throw their liquids away without giving them a choice. I've witnessed screeners yelling at passengers for chugging their liquids instead of throwing them away. Doesn't sound like a choice to me.

GSOLTSO said...

Doober sez - "Wow, West, I bet that all those "up the line" really appreciate your telling them which words are appropriate and which words aren't, in your mind. SMH"

Let me fix this for you - "Wow, West, I bet that all those "up the line" really appreciate your telling them which words are appropriate and which words aren't, based upon the company guidelines that have been posted many times"

Doober also sez - "But it could be another job for you, West - advising the media that the TSA doesn't confiscate and that it must not use that word."

Because we all know that the press listens to the posted facts in TSA articles, and I am such a world renowned source of quotation for the press. However, since you have asked, let me post this directly to all press members out there -

TSA does not confiscate property. Items that are prohibited in the sterile area follow two paths when they are discovered at the checkpoint.

1. The item is discovered during screening and the passenger is offered the set of options we offer on all prohibited items that are not deemed dangerous items
a) Take the item back out of the checkpoint area, and secure it with a friend, in a vehicle, or dispose of it some other way
b) Voluntarily surrender the item to TSA for disposal per the regulations.
2. The item is discovered and deemed a (possible) dangerous item, and local LEOs are contacted to come to the area and take control of said item - all steps after that occurs is determined by the local LEO responding.

I hope that someone somewhere in the press see that, and it has an impact somewhere!

RB sez - ""Retain control"! Confiscate. No difference West. When will you man up and admit that what TSA does is exactly what people have been saying for 14 years now.

You can call it anything you want but that will not change the facts."

Retaining control of an item, is simply making sure that the item does not go anywhere until it is deemed not a threat.

Man up? What are we 17 now?

You can try to change it all you want, but the actual phrasing means a great deal in many different ways (legal and colloquial at a minimum).

We. Do. Not. Confiscate.

West
TSA Blog Team

RB said...

Boldly said...
You can call it anything you want but that will not change the facts.

as can you. Every passenger is given the choice. It is 100% up to them. They decide what happens to their property. call it confiscate, steal, or what ever you want, nobody is forced to abandon their property and no matter how many times you and others say it, it wont change the facts.

September 13, 2016 at 3:58 PM
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No Boldy they are not given a choice if the item is a firearm or other weapon.

As West stated the TSA "Retains Control" of the item while a LEO is being summoned. So not only does TSA confiscate the item, TSA has also engaged in an unlawful detention just by implying the person is not free to leave the area.

RB said...

RB sez - ""Retain control"! Confiscate. No difference West. When will you man up and admit that what TSA does is exactly what people have been saying for 14 years now.

You can call it anything you want but that will not change the facts."

Retaining control of an item, is simply making sure that the item does not go anywhere until it is deemed not a threat.

Man up? What are we 17 now?

You can try to change it all you want, but the actual phrasing means a great deal in many different ways (legal and colloquial at a minimum).

We. Do. Not. Confiscate.

West
TSA Blog Team
September 14, 2016 at 8:36 AM
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Yes. TSA. Does. Confiscate.

What are you, 13 now?

Just saying you don't doesn't make it true. In your own words you demonstrated a situation that happens several times each week where TSA "Retains Control" of an item until the item is handed over to police.

TSA did that confiscation not police.

I fully recognize that TSA is trying to shift responsibility in this case. That is common to much of what TSA does daily.

But the fact remains that it is a TSA employee who "Retains Control" when the item is found.

Doober said...

Boldy wrote: "Every passenger is given the choice." You're certain about that, Boldy? It's not what I hear from others.

Doober said...

Rut roh! West is getting testy!

Fix the TSA said...

West, one cannot "voluntarily" surrender anything. That's an oxymoron.

Surrendering is under duress, pressure, or undue or negative influence.

Nothing voluntary about it.

As has been stated here and elsewhere on the Internet, there is a third step:

3. The screener confiscates the property, often threatens the passenger with denying access to airside, and throws the object away.

TSA supervisors are well known to back up these errant screeners and deny the passengers the options you say we all have.

Chip and Andy said...

Boldly said...
Aaaaaaannndddd still no Terrorist connected to any of the finds this week.

How is it you know these things?

Duh... because I read about it here on the TSA blog. If they had captured a terrorist or prevented some evil terrorist plot I would have heard about it on the evening news.

Wintermute said...

Yes. You. Do. Putting. Periods. Between. Your. Words. Does. Not. Change. That.

GSOLTSO said...

RB sez - "Yes. TSA. Does. Confiscate.

What are you, 13 now?

Just saying you don't doesn't make it true. In your own words you demonstrated a situation that happens several times each week where TSA "Retains Control" of an item until the item is handed over to police.

TSA did that confiscation not police.

I fully recognize that TSA is trying to shift responsibility in this case. That is common to much of what TSA does daily.

But the fact remains that it is a TSA employee who "Retains Control" when the item is found"

Such a witty retort. Nice!

TSA is merely preventing a possible threat item from getting into the sterile area. The technical terminology for that is "retaining control" or "maintaining control" in order to make sure that the item is not a threat. Firearms, and Explosives, and in some cases Incendiaries, are guided by different rules, because they are actual threat items. You can argue the point as much as you please, but what actually happens, is TSA retains control of the item, until the local LEOs respond. If an item is confiscated, it is done by the local LEOs - not TSA. TSA is merely a middle man in the process - we prevent the item from coming through, retain control until LEOs arrive, and then we are out of the actual disposition of the item.

As far as other prohibited items, TSOs give the same options to every passenger (at least they are supposed to by regulation and management guidance). If you have a prohibited item, and the TSO does not offer you the set of options that I have listed here several times, then I implore you to file a complaint.

You may file one online here - https://www.tsa.gov/contact-center/form/complaints

Or you may ask for a comment card at the checkpoint as you go through.

Doober sez - "Rut roh! West is getting testy!"

Not even close, I did have a time this weekend where I was testy with my Xbox One, it wouldn't let me clear a board - I hate it when that happens.

Fix sez - "Nothing voluntary about it."

You may argue the point as much as you wish as well. The fact is, TSO are supposed to offer the passenger the set of options, if the passenger chooses not to use those options, the final choice is to abandon the item to TSA. The regulations have been posted online, in every checkpoint, and at ticketing locations (at least all of the ticketing counters I have seen at every airport that I have been through or worked at), the passenger is afforded the opportunity to leave the checkpoint and place the item in their vehicle, mail it to themselves, leave it with a friend, finish consuming it or otherwise dispose of it as they choose. If the passenger does not choose these options, the item will not be allowed to enter the sterile area - barring the passenger disposing of the item, the only option left is to abandon the item voluntarily, or not enter the sterile area.

Wintermute sez - "Yes. You. Do. Putting. Periods. Between. Your. Words. Does. Not. Change. That."

I. Never. Said. They. Did.

I merely pointed out that a poster does not get to change the regulations to suit their own beliefs. The regulations are pretty clear-cut, and they have been the same for a number of years now. We have not confiscated items since I began working here, we give the passenger options (and they have not changed much in 12 years), and we accept voluntarily abandoned property.

West
TSA Blog Team

Wintermute said...

Except, as we've been saying, that may be SOP, but it doesn't always happen in practice. I've witnessed screeners demanding liquids be tossed, no options given.

RB said...

GSOLTSO said...

TSA is merely preventing a possible threat item from getting into the sterile area. The technical terminology for that is "retaining control" or "maintaining control" in order to make sure that the item is not a threat. Firearms, and Explosives, and in some cases Incendiaries, are guided by different rules, because they are actual threat items. You can argue the point as much as you please, but what actually happens, is TSA retains control of the item, until the local LEOs respond. If an item is confiscated, it is done by the local LEOs - not TSA. TSA is merely a middle man in the process - we prevent the item from coming through, retain control until LEOs arrive, and then we are out of the actual disposition of the item.

West
TSA Blog Team


September 17, 2016 at 11:42 AM


I maintain that if TSA in its policies and actions of "maintaining control" or "retaining control" that is effectively a confiscation. There is no difference regardless of how you or TSA wishes to parse the words. I have an item that you, TSA, has seized. You don't return it to me but give it to someone else. Confiscation pure and simple.

So go ahead and tell yourself that TSA doesn't confiscate. You are only lying to yourself at this point. The rest of us know the truth.

Boldly said...

RB said...
Boldly said...
You can call it anything you want but that will not change the facts.

as can you. Every passenger is given the choice. It is 100% up to them. They decide what happens to their property. call it confiscate, steal, or what ever you want, nobody is forced to abandon their property and no matter how many times you and others say it, it wont change the facts.

September 13, 2016 at 3:58 PM
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No Boldy they are not given a choice if the item is a firearm or other weapon. Of course not, that is a law enforcement issue.

As West stated the TSA "Retains Control" of the item while a LEO is being summoned. So not only does TSA confiscate the item, TSA has also engaged in an unlawful detention just by implying the person is not free to leave the area. Do you just make this up as you go? Sorry, no need to answer. Retaining control is not confiscation, its retaining control. Passengers are free to leave any time they wish. TSA cannot stop them. Nobody is "detained " by TSA. TSA will continue to retain possession of the item, and Im sure law enforcement will be tracking the passenger down for question, but TSA wont stop them from leaving. They cant. They don't have the authority to do so. If someone "assumes" they are being detained, I guess that is on them for not knowing.

Boldly said...

Blogger Chip and Andy said...
Boldly said...
Aaaaaaannndddd still no Terrorist connected to any of the finds this week.

How is it you know these things?

Duh... because I read about it here on the TSA blog. If they had captured a terrorist or prevented some evil terrorist plot I would have heard about it on the evening news.

TSA is not now and never has been in the "terrorist catching" business. If TSA stops a gun from going on a plane, they don't interview the passenger to see if he was a terrorist. If they stop a knife from getting on a plane there is not law enforcement involved so nobody would ever know.

Wintermute said...

You need to study case law. If a reasonable person would assume they are being detained, then they are, indeed, being detained. It's not "on them" for not knowing.

RB said...

Boldly said...

"TSA is not now and never has been in the "terrorist catching" business. If TSA stops a gun from going on a plane, they don't interview the passenger to see if he was a terrorist. If they stop a knife from getting on a plane there is not law enforcement involved so nobody would ever know."

September 19, 2016 at 2:23 PM

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Then why does TSA call itself an "counter-terrorism" organization?

https://www.tsa.gov/about/tsa-mission

Vision

"Provide the most effective transportation security in the most efficient way as a high performing counterterrorism organization."

Boldy, you seem to forget that TSA is more than just airport screeners. There are some TSA LEO types including Federal Air Marshals and some of the Transportation Security Inspectors.

But I do agree that TSA has shown no evidence that they have caught, thwarted, or discouraged any terrorist activities while spending almost $8 BILLION TAX DOLLARS each year.

Boldly said...

September 17, 2016 at 11:42 AM

I maintain that if TSA in its policies and actions of "maintaining control" or "retaining control" that is effectively a confiscation. There is no difference regardless of how you or TSA wishes to parse the words. I have an item that you, TSA, has seized. You don't return it to me but give it to someone else. Confiscation pure and simple.

So go ahead and tell yourself that TSA doesn't confiscate. You are only lying to yourself at this point. The rest of us know the truth.


yes we do. There is a huge difference between maintaining control and confiscation.

Boldly said...

You need to study case law. If a reasonable person would assume they are being detained, then they are, indeed, being detained. It's not "on them" for not knowing

Only if TSA officers do something or say to indicate they are being detained. So yes, Its on them.

Boldly said...

Boldly said...

"TSA is not now and never has been in the "terrorist catching" business. If TSA stops a gun from going on a plane, they don't interview the passenger to see if he was a terrorist. If they stop a knife from getting on a plane there is not law enforcement involved so nobody would ever know."

September 19, 2016 at 2:23 PM

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Then why does TSA call itself an "counter-terrorism" organization?

really? You need help on this? Read what TSA is looking for...weapons, Explosives and incendiaries. Where does it say they are looking for terrorists?

Boldly said...

Boldy, you seem to forget that TSA is more than just airport screeners. There are some TSA LEO types including Federal Air Marshals and some of the Transportation Security Inspectors. and none are tasked with catching terrorists

But I do agree that TSA has shown no evidence that they have caught, thwarted, or discouraged any terrorist activities while spending almost $8 BILLION TAX DOLLARS each year.
I didn't say that. I said they haven't "caught" a terrorist. I fully 100% believe they have either directly or indirectly both thwarted (nice word) and or discouraged a terrorist attack. without question. No doubt in my mind.