Friday, June 5, 2015

TSA Week in Review: Firearms Concealed in Amplifiers, Propane, and More


Firearm and ammunition.
49 Firearms Discovered This Week – Of the 49 firearms, 42 were loaded and 11 had rounds chambered. The firearm pictured above was discovered in a carry-on bag at BNA. 
Propane Tank
This 16-ounce canister of propane fuel was detected in a carry-on bag at San Diego (SAN). Propane is prohibited in both carry-on and checked bags due to its propensity to explode.

Artfully Concealed Prohibited Items – Artfully concealed is a term used to describe an item that was intentionally hidden. It could be anything from a knife sewn into the lining of a bag to a sword hidden inside of a walking cane. If a concealed prohibited item is discovered in your bag or on your body, you could be cited and possibly arrested by law enforcement. Here are some examples from this week where artfully concealed items were discovered by our officers.

An Orlando (MCO) traveler concealed two handguns, one unassembled rifle, and an unidentified amount of ammunition inside three amplifiers in a checked bag.
An Orlando (MCO) traveler concealed two handguns, one unassembled rifle, and an unidentified amount of ammunition inside three amplifiers in a checked bag.
Belt Buckle Knife
This belt buckle knife was discovered at Philadelphia (PHL).
A pocketknife was discovered in a traveler’s shoe at San Juan (SJU).
This pocketknife was discovered in a traveler’s shoe at San Juan (SJU).
Inert Ordnance and Grenades etc. – We continue to find inert grenades and other weaponry on a weekly basis. Please keep in mind that if an item looks like a real bomb, grenade, mine, etc., it is prohibited. When these items are found at a checkpoint or in checked baggage, they can cause significant delays because the explosives detection professionals must respond to resolve the alarm. Even if they are novelty items, you are prohibited from bringing them on the aircraft.


  • Two inert 40 mm grenades were discovered in a carry-on bag at Birmingham (BHM).
  • An inert grenade was detected in a carry-on bag at Denver (DEN).


Miscellaneous Prohibited Items – In addition to all of the other prohibited items we find weekly, officers also regularly find firearm components, realistic replica firearms, bb and pellet guns, airsoft guns, brass knuckles, ammunition, batons and many other prohibited items too numerous to note.

Knives and throwing stars.
Counterclockwise from top, items discovered at: GSO, BWI, ORD, ORD, STL, SJC, IAH, PHX, SLC, LAS, and SLC
Stun Guns - 25 stun guns were discovered this week in carry-on bags around the nation. Three were discovered at Denver (DEN), two at Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW), two more at Sacramento (SMF), and the remainder were discovered at Atlanta (ATL), Baltimore (BWI), Birmingham (BHM), Borinquen (BQN), Buffalo (BUF), Cleveland (CLE), Dallas-Love (DAL), Gunnison (GUC), Jacksonville (OAJ), Nashville (BNA), Pensacola (PNS), Phoenix (PHX), Portland (PDX), Richmond (RIC), Salt Lake City (SLC), San Diego (SAN), Springfield (SGF), and St. Thomas (STT).
 
Ammunition
Ammunition discovered in carry-on bag at AUS.
Ammunition – When packed properly, ammunition can be transported in your checked baggage, but it is never permissible to pack ammo in your carry-on bag.

Firearms
Firearms discovered in carry-on bags this week. See below for complete list.
49 Firearms Discovered This Week – Of the 49 firearms, 42 were loaded and 11 had rounds chambered.

*In order to provide a timely weekly update, this data is compiled from a preliminary report. The year-end numbers will vary slightly from what is reported in the weekly updates. However, any monthly, midyear or end-of-year numbers TSA provides on this blog or elsewhere will be actual numbers and not estimates.

You can travel with your firearms in checked baggage, but they must first be declared to the airline.
You can go here for more details on how to properly travel with your firearms. Firearm possession laws vary by state and locality. Travelers should familiarize themselves with state and local firearm laws for each point of travel prior to departure.

Unfortunately these sorts of occurrences are all too frequent which is why we talk about these finds. Sure, it’s great to share the things that our officers are finding, but at the same time, each time we find a dangerous item, the line is slowed down and a passenger that likely had no ill intent ends up with a citation or in some cases is even arrested. The passenger can face a penalty as high as $11,000. This is a friendly reminder to please leave these items at home. Just because we find a prohibited item on an individual does not mean they had bad intentions; that's for the law enforcement officer to decide. In many cases, people simply forgot they had these items.

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51 comments:

Anonymous said...

Friendly reminder? Come on--whoever brings any firearm or any type of weapon which could be dangerous onto an airplane needs to be arrested immediately, fined and slapped in jail. No friendly treatment is deserved. It's scary to see how many dangerous weapons are being detected by the TSA. I used to think airline travel was pretty safe...now I'm really beginning to wonder.

Anonymous said...

You know we know about your 95% failure rate, right? And that the head of your agency got fired - in an administration that doesn't do much firing? You're pathetic.

Anonymous said...

As always, absolutely nothing you needed your slow, invasive, and ineffective naked body scanners to detect. Meanwhile, how many people suffered physical searches thanks to false alarms on these useless machines?

Why are Curtis Burns and West Cooper unwilling to address, let alone answer, that question?

How many weeks has it been since you last trumpeted something dangerous you found with the naked body scanners?

SSSS for Some Reason said...

And all of that with good old-fashioned Magnetometers. Not a single find for the fancy nudie scanners.

And, of course, not a single person arrested on terrorism charges because of all those things you did find.

And even more so the fact that we know you misses countless other prohibited items (as many as 9 missed for every 1 found) and still nothing happened in the air with all that dangerous stuff in the cabins of the aircraft. Are you sure the terrorists are still trying to get on airplanes? I mean are you sure the airplanes are still the targets of terrorism?

Anonymous said...

I think this weekly blog post shows part of the problem with the TSA. Every week the TSA brags about all of the guns and knives they find. With the decades old technology of metal detectors and x-ray machines, these items should be really easy to find and should be found 100% of the time. The only thing that may have been difficult to find was the disassembled guns, but since they were in checked bags, that person was only guilty of improperly transporting the firearms. The TSA seems great at finding items people forgot, or catching dumb people who think that hiding their knife in the lining of their suitcase is a good idea.

I really believe the only reason there hasn't been another successful terrorist attack is because the terrorists are no longer trying. They don't have to try. They have already succeeded in making us spend billions of dollars and forced us to spend countless extra hours in the name of security. A 95% failure rate is unacceptable. One of the testers simply had the fake bomb taped to his back. He got a full body pat down after alarming the metal detector and they still missed it. I get a full body pat down and I wonder if I'm going to get a bill later for a medical exam.

I don't see how we can ever trust the TSA again. A massive failure rate in testing, combined with sexual assault, flawed testing methods like the explosive residue tests that alarm on soap, means the TSA really isn't better than what we had pre 9/11. Virtually zero passengers are a risk to the plane, yet we all continue to be treated like criminals until proven innocent.

RB said...

Out of all the found items highlighted in this weeks post would someone please point out the ones that would not been found using WTMD or baggage x-ray machines?

Thanks.

Mike Black said...

I read through this every week and cannot believe the edacity that people have with carrying their firearms through TSA check points. How can someone NOT know that their firearm was in their carry on? I have firearms and ALWAYS know exactly where they are and if they are loaded or not. This is just like having a firearm in your house where children can find it! Come on people, these are deadly weapons and should be treated as such. Would you leave a loaded firearm out on a counter where children can get to it easily and leave the house? Probably not but that is what you are doing when you leave it loaded and only "hidden" from sight, they WILL find it because of their curiosity. Every time a child finds a firearms and either shoots themselves or someone else, accidentally, it is ALWAYS preventable.

On a different note: I do see some inconsistencies with different TSA check point locations. For example: I went through the Wenatchee, Washington TSA back in March. I had silverware with forks, spoons and butter knifes wrapped in cellophane. They said I could not take the butter knife through because they are serrated, although I was allowed to take a very sharp, serrated pie cutter through. There really needs to be some better understand and training for consistency because the butter knifes are NOT disallowed in carry on through TSA check points. But the very sharp, serrated pie cutter would NOT be allowed. FYI: the pie cutter was at least 4 1/2 inches. Further, I was not "testing" TSA.

Anonymous said...

You can't tell me that these people forgot it was in their bag. These people should be arrested immediately and jailed for a day or 2. the next time they travelled they probably would have a better memory. Maybe they should be put on a no fly list.
I can't believe how stupid some of the travelers can be.

Anonymous said...


After the recent news, all the articles about how worthless the TSA is and all the calls for it to be dismantled, you should be embarrassed to post this thread, Bob.

Anonymous said...

With the recent TV news report that the TSA missed 95% of concealed items going through security checks, so these 47 fire arms (guns) are only a drop in the bucket when it comes to finding prohibited items from going through security at the airports. These people who carry these items know it is against the law, ye they continue to do it! Unless these guns are confiscated from them and they are fined or put in jail, and threated they would be band from flying in the future, then this willful abuse of carrying fir arms in luggage will continue until there is a real disaster incident from a terrorist or a "Whacko".

Anonymous said...

What happens to all these people? Never hear that they are arrested or jailed. Why?

Anonymous said...

Where is the comment I sent two days ago? It met blog policies. It did not contain personal attacks of any kind; refer to Federal Civil Service employees by name; contain offensive terms that target specific ethnic or racial groups, or vulgar language.

StatsFriend said...

People who bring guns through screening areas or improperly locked in a checked bag are not subject to arrest in many jurisdictions. Local law enforcement handles any actual civil or criminal violation. I understand that most of the time, the weapons are returned to the passenger when they return home.

People take guns into screening areas or improperly lock them in checked baggage for a variety of reasons, none of which are terrorism. These include:

1. Ignorance
2. Carelessness/Forgetfulness
3. Criminal intent (not terrorism)
4. Refusal of TSA administrative rules

Is what they are doing "wrong?" Sure, in most people's opinions.

Is what they are doing illegal? It depends upon where they are.

Is what they are doing dangerous? No, if they have no intent to do anything in the airport or on a plane.

Up to 95% of weapons, incendiaries, and explosives make it through screening areas. Huge gaps exist in securing airport areas from criminally-minded airport employees. Yet for the entire history of air flight, there are very, very few incidents of weapons, explosives, or incendiaries being used for terrorism or even general criminality in US airports.

In other words, planes aren't falling out of the skies, despite the possible 980 weapons, incendiaries, and explosives that went through TSA screening areas this week.

Think of the statistics. What are you really afraid of? 12,000,000 people flew this week. 49 carried a gun. None were shown to have any ill intent in the airports or planes. None were shown to have any terrorist ties.

49 people is .0004% of all 12,000,000 passengers this week.

If all 49 people were getting on different flights, the 49 flights is .049% of all 100,000 US flights this week.

Yet, the TSA continues this sad, worn blotter, trying to terrify people into handing over their Constitutional rights and liberties.

Shame on you, Curtis "Bob" Burns, West Cooper, and Lynn Dean (aka the TSA blotter team)!

*screenshot taken*

Scopes said...

Thank you for your continued support and understanding,although TSA may at times hiccup during the processes to protect American freedoms and passage of enterprise- we-the Officers on the front line are dedicated and rely upon the unequivical support of yourself, Congress and the American people.

Susan Richart said...

Here's a listing of a small sample of articles calling for changes at the TSA since the 95% failure rate became news. The voices for change are loud and growing.

http://www.governmentalwaysfails.com/gammons-law-and-the-tsa/

http://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/article23241390.html

http://townhall.com/columnists/pauljacob/2015/06/07/staged-security-n2009196/page/full

http://tsanewsblog.com/16032/news/tsa-not-okay-by-bonnie-rain/

https://reason.com/blog/2015/06/03/the-tsa-is-useless-but-have-you-seen-the

http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/2015/06/dear-tsa-give-up-already.html

http://thisiscommonsense.com/2015/06/05/political-theatrics/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/06/05/tsa-failure-security-abuses-column/28490923/

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-0604-tsa-20150604-story.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419231/tsas-95-percent-failure-rate-security-theater-farce-kevin-d-williamson

This is the first time there has been a wide-spread call for either the abolishment of the TSA or for significant changes in the way it operates. Those calls will increase with each failure or passenger abuse incident that arises and we know there will be more, because the TSA can't help itself.

I applaud the person who leaked the failure report. He or she did this country a great favor.

screen shot/DHS OIG statement

SSSS for Some Reason said...

Scopes said...
Thank you for your continued support and understanding,although TSA may at times hiccup during the processes to protect American freedoms and passage of enterprise- we-the Officers on the front line are dedicated and rely upon the unequivical support of yourself, Congress and the American people.

~~~~~~~~~~~

No.

You do not get to even try to minimize your recently reported failures. 67 out of 70 failed tests does not in any universe equal a 'hiccup.' That is failure. Pure and simple failure.

How many times has the TSA tried to tell us they have to get it right every single time because the terrorists only have to get it right once?

No, Agent Scopes, you are rapidly losing the 'unequivical' support of the traveling public and Congress.

And you are an Agent, not an Officer. You aren't on the front line of anything either. You screen passengers and baggage for prohibited items.

Anonymous said...

Think of the statistics. What are you really afraid of? 12,000,000 people flew this week. 49 carried a gun. None were shown to have any ill intent in the airports or planes. None were shown to have any terrorist ties.

49 people is .0004% of all 12,000,000 passengers this week.

If all 49 people were getting on different flights, the 49 flights is .049% of all 100,000 US flights this week.

Yet, the TSA continues this sad, worn blotter, trying to terrify people into handing over their Constitutional rights and liberties.
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you are spot on, with one caveat. 49 people were caught with a weapon by TSA, and none had any connection to terrorism or any ill intent. the caveat is that about 20 times that many likely passed through TSA's security theatre, and, since no incidents occurred and no planes fell out of the sky, none of those 900-1000 folks had any connection to terrorism or any ill intent, either. TSA is wasting $8 BILLION a year on this sham.

RB said...

From TSA.gov

"Declare larger liquids. Medications, baby formula/food and breast milk are allowed in reasonable quantities exceeding three ounces, and they don’t have to be in the zip-top bag. Declare these items for inspection at the checkpoint. TSA officers may need to open them for additional screening."
.......................................
What is a reasonable quantity of an LGA for a flight from DFW to MIA?

Surely TSA has a standard or means to determine what is a reasonable quantity. Or do you just make it up as you go?

How is a passenger to know what this standard is without being provided the needed guidelines to properly plane for their trip?

June 5, 2015 at 9:53 AM
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This question has yet to be answered. In order to comply with TSA Regulations I again ask what is a reasonable amount an an LGA for a flight from DFW to MIA?

If TSA won't answer this simple question how can I be expected to be able to comply with TSA Regulations and Rules?

What is the definitive regulation for carrying permitted medical LGA's?

Anonymous said...

I continue to wait for some justification for active duty military being included in pre-check, but not retired military or holders of current DoD or LE background investigations. military retirees have at least 20 years documented service to this Nation, pretty much proving their lack of risk. both DoD and LE background investigations should reveal any risk factors. active duty military do not, necessarily, have a background check or any significant length of service. neither citizenship nor a background investigation is required to enlist in the military, in fact there are likely illegal immigrants serving. if it is really about safety, then why are potentially unscreened non-citizens allowed through? sounds like it is just pandering to an admirable group to get PR, not adjusting the rules to ease screening on those who present a lower likelihood of threat.
Let me be clear: pre-911 screening should be the norm. it is all that is required, now that cockpit doors have been reinforced and locked, and flight crews and passengers know that the rules have changed and passivity=death. however, if we are going to continue this massive waste of tax dollars on security theatre, at least have _some_ of the rules make sense. now you're even allowing college kids (kaydets) to endure more reasonable screening, but those who sacrificed for 20+ have to take their bloody shoes and belts off!! it's pretty clear that TSA doesn't understand risk assessment or risk-based anything, much less security.

Anonymous said...

The TSA and its methods are in need of a serious overhaul. Here is what I would do:

Risk based screening: Since virtually all passengers are not a risk, I would treat them that way. Everybody would get the Pre Check screening, unless there is suspicion about the passenger that warrants further screening. Random extra screening would also be used. I fly in Europe and get the Pre Check experience there because that is their default level of security. Their flights are just as safe as ours.

Relaxed Liquid Rules: The rules now make no sense. A large bottle is bad but several small bottles with the same volume of liquid are safe. I would either keep the quart bag or increase it to a 2 quart or gallon size bag with unlimited individual container sizes. That would free up the TSA to look for threats instead of scrutinizing over water bottles and 5 oz of toothpaste. Throw in some random testing of liquids and we will be just as safe. If these liquids are so dangerous, why are they simply thrown into a regular trashcan?

Allow small knives on planes. It makes little sense to confiscate a small pocket knife when scissors and knitting needles are allowed on board. Sure somebody could get stabbed on a plane, but they also could get stabbed on the street. This would also free up the TSA to look for bigger threats. No one is taking over a plane with a knife of box cutter anymore.

Anonymous said...

Are you sure the terrorists are still trying to get on airplanes? I mean are you sure the airplanes are still the targets of terrorism?

The real question is, are you sure they arent? are you willing to bet the lives of your family, your spouse, your childeren? For me, the answer is no. I absolutly 100% belive they are still targeting American lives, American industry and American travel. They have sworn to attack again and they are very patient. Right now they are hitting soft targets. Unprotected soft targets. There is absolutly know way to know how many times they have alreaddy been to US Airport and been stopped by TSA. Could be zero, could be 100 could be a 1000. So again, are you willing to bet the lives of your loved ones?

Anonymous said...

The greatest security vulnerability at any commercial airport is the security line itself. You have people clustered tightly together in one location, carrying unsecured baggage, with no boarding pass or identification needed to get in line. By causing long lines to go through security, TSA's security theater is creating a huge risk to the traveling public.

CliffOnTheRoad said...

to Scopes; "continued support?" Have you read past pages about the TSA? The millions of dollars spent without getting good value from the loss of freedoms, supported by Congress, is disturbing.

Yes, thanks to the TSA for making it safer to fly. But the peace of mind to walk down my street safely would not justify shooting someone for jaywalking.

A balance must be reached. While someone above feels any violator should be locked up (and throw away the key), what about the 83 year old who forgets he has a 2 inch pen knife in his bag? (I made up this example.)

RB said...

So what happened to Acting Administrator Mark Hatfield? Sure didn't last long.

And welcome to the next newly appointed Acting Administrator Francis X. Taylor.

may you last as long as Hatfield.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Are you sure the terrorists are still trying to get on airplanes? I mean are you sure the airplanes are still the targets of terrorism?

The real question is, are you sure they arent?

Yep. Pretty sure. It's been how many years since the last terrorist attack? And as has just been proven the TSA isn't stopping anything more exiting than breast milk and suntan oil so if a terrorist really wanted to take down a plane it would have happened already.

are you willing to bet the lives of your family, your spouse, your childeren?

Yes. Next question.

For me, the answer is no. I absolutly 100% belive they are still targeting American lives, American industry and American travel.

Then maybe it is you that should stay out of the airports. Why do the rest of us have to suffer your irrational fears of boogeymen hiding out in coach on every flight just waiting for the signal to start the Jihad?

They have sworn to attack again and they are very patient. Right now they are hitting soft targets. Unprotected soft targets.

Really? What news channel are you watching? Because the only terrorist in the US in the news for the last several months was that crazy guy in Boston. And it is most likely he was just crazy and not the tip of the spear of the next whatever it is you are so afraid of.

There is absolutly know way to know how many times they have alreaddy been to US Airport and been stopped by TSA.

"There is absolutly know way to know" how many times I haven't slept with Christie Brinkley. Or how many times I did't win the lotto. Or how many times I didn't hit the jackpot on the next quarter. And you need professional help if you are going to base the success of an eight billion dollar a year agency on something no better than the Monk's Tiger Rock.

Could be zero, could be 100 could be a 1000.

Could be a Million. Could be a Billion. Could be Eight Billion. Could be 17. Something about wishes and horses.....

So again, are you willing to bet the lives of your loved ones?

Yes. I am.

Me and my loved ones understand that life has risks, air travel has risks, and are all adult enough to understand that the benefits of air travel outweigh those risks. And that includes the risk of our flight be the one with a terrorist on it.

RB said...

Censorship on this publicly funded government blog is out of hand. Submitted comments from multiple people suggest that illegal censorship is being committed by government employees.

I know for myself that numerous of my comment submissions have been censored without cause or justification.

TSA Blog Team, please provide a copy from DHS legal department of any findings or rulings that allows the federal government to infringe on Free Speech in this setting.

A copy of this message will be provided to the DHS OIG as a Civil Rights complaint.

If others who have been censored by the TSA Blog Team wish to join together please let it be known in the comments you submit.

Susan Richart said...

According to the DHS IG, it was NOT "Red Team" members who tested security checkpoints. Rather the testers were IG auditors who - read this, it is important - did not have special knowledge of the TSA security systems and how to defeat those systems. IOW, it regular Tom's, Dick's and Harriett's who got past those crack screeners. That knowledge makes the results of the testing says the TSA is even more worthless than most of us already knew.

screen shot/DHS OIG statement

Anonymous said...

Homeland Security looks for leaker of report on airport-checkpoint failures - headline from WaPo story about the search for the leaker of "classified" information in the IG report. so basically, TSA overclassified to cover their utter and complete failure, and now DHS wants to bring the hammer down on whoever let the cat out of the bag, rather than acknowledging the failure and fixing it. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/homeland-security-looking-for-leaker-of-report-on-airport-checkpoint-failures/2015/06/09/570ede22-0eb3-11e5-adec-e82f8395c032_story.html

Anonymous said...

CliffOnTheRoad said...
to Scopes; "continued support?" Have you read past pages about the TSA? The millions of dollars spent without getting good value from the loss of freedoms, supported by Congress, is disturbing.

Yes, thanks to the TSA for making it safer to fly. But the peace of mind to walk down my street safely would not justify shooting someone for jaywalking.


June 9, 2015 at 6:15 AM
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except you shouldn't be thanking TSA for making anything safer. if anything, their theatre has made us less safe because it is clearly not risk-based, comprehensive, or effective. it has made us less safe by focusing everyone on things that don't matter, and paying no attention to things that do. it has made us less safe by concentrating the traveling checkpoint, often for extended periods of time, at a known location that is guaranteed by law to be a soft target. please don't thank the TSA. call your Congress-critter and ask them to do away with TSA, DHS, and the rest of the political security theatre architecture they've saddled the professionals with.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Mike Black said...

I read through this every week and cannot believe the edacity that people have with carrying their firearms through TSA check points. How can someone NOT know that their firearm was in their carry on? I have firearms and ALWAYS know exactly where they are and if they are loaded or not. This is just like having a firearm in your house where children can find it! Come on people, these are deadly weapons and should be treated as such. Would you leave a loaded firearm out on a counter where children can get to it easily and leave the house? Probably not but that is what you are doing when you leave it loaded and only "hidden" from sight, they WILL find it because of their curiosity. Every time a child finds a firearms and either shoots themselves or someone else, accidentally, it is ALWAYS preventable.

On a different note: I do see some inconsistencies with different TSA check point locations. For example: I went through the Wenatchee, Washington TSA back in March. I had silverware with forks, spoons and butter knifes wrapped in cellophane. They said I could not take the butter knife through because they are serrated, although I was allowed to take a very sharp, serrated pie cutter through. There really needs to be some better understand and training for consistency because the butter knifes are NOT disallowed in carry on through TSA check points. But the very sharp, serrated pie cutter would NOT be allowed. FYI: the pie cutter was at least 4 1/2 inches. Further, I was not "testing" TSA.

June 6, 2015 at 12:57 PM

So, being the righteous person that you are, you turned in the pie cutter to TSA? Right? Oh, you did not? And nothing happened? That sounds pretty audacious. You knew you had it, and that it could be used as a weapon.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Friendly reminder? Come on--whoever brings any firearm or any type of weapon which could be dangerous onto an airplane needs to be arrested immediately, fined and slapped in jail. No friendly treatment is deserved. It's scary to see how many dangerous weapons are being detected by the TSA. I used to think airline travel was pretty safe...now I'm really beginning to wonder.

June 5, 2015 at 7:13 PM

Why do you feel unsafe? Has something happened to you on one of your flights? It is still safe, just remember, the found weapons are only 5% of stuff that is found. 95% of it was missed, and nothing has happened to you yet. Imagine how much stuff you dont know about is in the public, where you are now.

Anonymous said...

"are you willing to bet the lives of your family, your spouse, your childeren?"

Yes, I am. It's an absurdly safe bet.

You are more likely to be killed by obesity, by passive smoking, or by lightning than a terrorist. Hell, you are over 50 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than a terrorist.

Susan Richart said...

More articles on the worthlessness of the TSA:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/obama-pilot-tsa-inept-keeping-weapons-planes-article-1.2253328

http://gmancasefile.blogspot.com/2012/01/tsa-fail.html (This article was written 3 years ago and is even more relevant today)

screen shot/DHS OIG statement

Anonymous said...

except you shouldn't be thanking TSA for making anything safer. if anything, their theatre has made us less safe

how can you be less safe. There have been no terror attacks on a US based flight since the inception of TSA. NOBODY can say with any level of certanty that TSA and their policies have not stopped a terror attack. thats right, there is absolultly no way to know. may have stopped none, may have stopped 100. If they stopped even one, it is money well spent. If they havent stopped any, I look at it like my car insurance. Had to have it but didnt need it.

As for the "tests' tsa failed. Big deal. Absolutly meaningless unless of course you're looking to stoke an alreay exsisting fire. Test results based on less than 1% of airports. Where's the other 99%? Ran by folks whos job it is to exploit known weaknesses. You dont test things that you know work., You test to see what the breaking point is, beyond the safety factor.


I give it no value.

Anonymous said...

Who is Acting Administrator of TSA today?

Need a program to keep up with the names.

Anonymous said...

There have been some congressional hearings on this and one for airport FSDs was complaining that Pre Check screening has been handed out like handed out like Halloween candy. Only one million people had enrolled, yet 7 million people had used the Pre Check lines. I don't see why she was complaining. People still get screened in the Pre Check line. So what if they got to leave their shoes on, like in every other country. The added Pre Check selections were random so it's not like anyone could plan to go through the Pre Check line. No planes were taken down so I think it shows that Pre Check screening is good enough to be the standard level of screening for all passengers.

Anonymous said...

The terrorists only need to get it right once, right? And these tests were done without any special knowledge of TSAs weaknesses.

RB said...

As for the "tests' tsa failed. Big deal. Absolutly meaningless unless of course you're looking to stoke an alreay exsisting fire. Test results based on less than 1% of airports. Where's the other 99%? Ran by folks whos job it is to exploit known weaknesses. You dont test things that you know work., You test to see what the breaking point is, beyond the safety factor.

I give it no value.

June 11, 2015 at 8:46 AM

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And once again, these people were not Red Team testers just auditors out of the OIG's office with no special training in thwarting TSA security measures.

What is your expertise that should have us accept your conclusion of "No Value"?

DHS sure as heck gave it some value and TSA has agreed to all of the recommendations that were made by the DHS OIG.

If TSA has to absolutely, positively get it right every single time then even one failure but one screener demonstrates a problem.


SSSS for Some Reason said...

Bold Posting Anonymous said... "how can you be less safe. There have been no terror attacks on a US based flight since the inception of TSA. NOBODY can say with any level of certanty that TSA and their policies have not stopped a terror attack."

And how can you say with any certainty there isn't a Teapot orbiting between the earth and mars? (hint, look up Russel's Teapot)

The success of the TSA is not to be measured by the fact that something didn't happen and then take credit for it not happening. Because there haven't been any terrorist attacks since I switched brands of toothpaste so I can take as much credit for the lack of terrorist as the TSA can.

The TSA has prove to us they COULD stop a terrorist if one were to try to get on an aircraft. So far they haven't been able to prove that. There is a long string of news reports proving again and again exactly how useless the TSA is when it comes to the S part of their name. Gun smuggling. Drug Running. Baggage theft. Stowaways. These are all things that had the potential to be really, really bad and are all things the TSA is supposedly here to protect us from. They are all items in the basic job description of the TSA.

RB said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
except you shouldn't be thanking TSA for making anything safer. if anything, their theatre has made us less safe

how can you be less safe. There have been no terror attacks on a US based flight since the inception of TSA. NOBODY can say with any level of certanty that TSA and their policies have not stopped a terror attack. thats right, there is absolultly no way to know. may have stopped none, may have stopped 100. If they stopped even one, it is money well spent. If they havent stopped any, I look at it like my car insurance. Had to have it but didnt need it.

As for the "tests' tsa failed. Big deal. Absolutly meaningless unless of course you're looking to stoke an alreay exsisting fire. Test results based on less than 1% of airports. Where's the other 99%? Ran by folks whos job it is to exploit known weaknesses. You dont test things that you know work., You test to see what the breaking point is, beyond the safety factor.

I give it no value.

June 11, 2015 at 8:46 AM
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Funny that you give it no value.

Seems like Secretary DHS gave it a lot of value.

Statement By Secretary Jeh C. Johnson On Inspector General Findings On TSA Security Screening

So tell me Anon, who should we pay more attention to? An unknown poster who may or may not know anything about TSA and the way it works or the Jeh Johnson, Secretary of DHS, who has benefit of both the complete classified report about the testing results and staffers who have briefed him on exactly what flaws this testing uncovered?

If we are going to assign value to things here I think you will end up a the bottom of the value scale. Are you sure you are not TSORon? He's wrong about most things too.

Anonymous said...

Bold Posting Anonymous said "...As for the "tests' tsa failed. Big deal. Absolutly meaningless...."

No!

Absolutely not!

You do not get to have both sides of this argument!

How many times have you tried to claim 'it only takes one' when talking about some draconian measure taken by the TSA? How many times have you and others like you called for someone 'forgetting' a firearm be immediately arrested or fined or both. We can't bring water bottles through security because there is no way to test them and 'it only takes one to bring down a plane.'

But when the TSA forgets to stop something bad 67 out of 70 times it is 'meaningless?'

No.

You, the TSA, Mr Pistole, Congress, Blogger Bob, no one who supports the TSA in any way gets to spin this report into something that is 'no big deal.' The TSA FAILED! I doesn't matter if all 70 tests were done in ten minutes in one airport on a single shift and they sent a memo to everyone telling they were coming. The Agency that claims they are on the front line of America's defense FAILED! The Agency that is the last line of defense keeping the terrorists from crashing planes into crowded metropolitan areas, so many countless terrorists, so many terrorists attempts foiled we could never count... FAILED!

THE TSA FAILED 67 out of 70 TESTS!

That is the very definition of a bid deal.

George said...

I read about the TSA's latest 95% failure in undercover testing, a performance so dismal and inexcusable that it required the resignation of the agency's acting director. I came here after a long absence just to see how Bob Burns, the TSA's genius propagandist, would spin this most recent indefensible failure into a triumphant celebratory fantasy account portraying the TSA as a highly competent, highly effective, continually successful protector of Homeland Security that deserves every penny of the $7 billion it's costing taxpayers.

But I was disappointed to see no official TSA response to what so clearly and indisputably vindicates everything the reviled agency's critics have said for years. Could it be that this disastrous failure, in a comprehensive operation conducted at multiple airports, so powerfully proves the utter worthlessness of the TSA that even Blogger Bob finds it impossible to put any positive spin on it? Perhaps, then, the only possible response is to pretend that the test never happened.

Susan Richart said...

More articles:

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/06/reassessing_air.html

http://blog.independent.org/2015/06/11/governments-demonstrated-security-incompetence-warrants-abolishing-its-powers/

Even in the face of being told the BD”O” program is worthless, DHS/TSA persist:

http://www.wnd.com/2015/06/dhs-videotaping-passengers-to-predict-crime/

screen shot/DHS OIG statement

Anonymous said...

Personally, I like some of your ideas.

The TSA and its methods are in need of a serious overhaul. Here is what I would do:

Risk based screening: Since virtually all passengers are not a risk, I would treat them that way. Everybody would get the Pre Check screening, unless there is suspicion about the passenger that warrants further screening. what would you use to make that determination? Stereotyping? BDO's? Random extra screening would also be used. already in place with precheck I fly in Europe and get the Pre Check experience there because that is their default level of security. Their flights are just as safe as ours. they are also not as much of a target as we are.

Relaxed Liquid Rules: The rules now make no sense. A large bottle is bad but several small bottles with the same volume of liquid are safe. I would either keep the quart bag or increase it to a 2 quart or gallon size bag with unlimited individual container sizes. without testing them? How long until the bad guy brings in 50 small bottle of explosives? That would free up the TSA to look for threats instead of scrutinizing over water bottles and 5 oz of toothpaste. Throw in some random testing of liquids and we will be just as safe. If these liquids are so dangerous, why are they simply thrown into a regular trashcan? not because they think they are dangerous, its because if they allowed liquids, they would have to test them all. That would bring the checkpoint to a standstill.

Allow small knives on planes. they tried that. The flight attendents and pilots fought it. It makes little sense to confiscate a small pocket knife when scissors and knitting needles are allowed on board. Sure somebody could get stabbed on a plane, but they also could get stabbed on the street. This would also free up the TSA to look for bigger threats. No one is taking over a plane with a knife of box cutter anymore. not to say they wouldnt start again.

I think it is very unfortunate that the government doesnt release all the intel they have. They only people who "think" there is no more threat are the public, not those who have top secret or even secret security clearences. What I personaly find more scary than the thought of an attack is the fact that so many feel there is no threat and are willing to forgo safety measures. As soon as our gaurd is let down as so many want us to do, we will be attacked again. Its not paranoia, its just a reality.

Anonymous said...

Why do you feel unsafe? Has something happened to you on one of your flights? It is still safe, just remember, the found weapons are only 5% of stuff that is found. 95% of it was missed, and nothing has happened to you yet. Imagine how much stuff you dont know about is in the public, where you are now.

if the public only knew what the government doesnt report, they would want more strict screening policies. If they only knew how close the terrorist really are...If they only knew how meaningless, unrealistic and irrelevant those test really are they would put any value into them. Personally, there is no way in the world I would fly on an American based flight that had not been screened by TSA. In spit of there flaws.

Steve Daigle said...

all I see is complaining, and whining. if you can do better, do it.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
except you shouldn't be thanking TSA for making anything safer. if anything, their theatre has made us less safe

how can you be less safe. There have been no terror attacks on a US based flight since the inception of TSA. NOBODY can say with any level of certanty that TSA and their policies have not stopped a terror attack. thats right, there is absolultly no way to know. may have stopped none, may have stopped 100. If they stopped even one, it is money well spent. If they havent stopped any, I look at it like my car insurance. Had to have it but didnt need it.

As for the "tests' tsa failed. Big deal. Absolutly meaningless unless of course you're looking to stoke an alreay exsisting fire. Test results based on less than 1% of airports. Where's the other 99%? Ran by folks whos job it is to exploit known weaknesses. You dont test things that you know work., You test to see what the breaking point is, beyond the safety factor.

I give it no value.

June 11, 2015 at 8:46 AM
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Not even 1%. 70 tests amounts to what the average larger airport runs in ONE DAY!!!
Obviously this was taken out of context and sensationalised.
Carraway was on the schedule to be moved anyway.
This was just an announcement which coincided with this test result.

SSSS for Some Reason said...

Bold Posting Anonymous said...

if the public only knew what the government doesnt report,

Lets analyze this opening statement.... You work for the TSA, which would make you a liar because you have spent a great number of keystrokes trying to convince us otherwise. Or your spouse works for the TSA in which case you are a traitor for sharing pillow-talk. Or you work for one of the other Alphabet Agencies and you can only post here using the anonymous tag so your bosses can't find you out for sharing information vitally important to our safety, in which case you are again a traitor for sharing classified information. Or you are just a TSA cheerleader and hoping that your bold posting stands out and put the idea in peoples heads that you might know something by your sense of urgency in using bold type. There are a few more options I could share but none of them are compliant with teh comment policy around here.

they would want more strict screening policies.

So if we only knew how bad it really was we would gladly give up even more of our precious few remaing freedoms when it comes to travel by air. Right.

If they only knew how close the terrorist really are...

Again, if we only knew what you know. You who doesn't work for the TSA but we should believe anyway.

If they only knew how meaningless, unrealistic and irrelevant those test really are they would put any value into them.

So passengers are not to be cut any slack at all because it only takes one to be a terrorist. But, the TSA is to be cut some slack because it was only a test and see they are still doing a fantastic job because the Terrorist Hordes are at the Gates but can't get through the supremely excellent job, in spite of the tests, that the TSA is doing because there hasn't been any incidents in the news since way back when. Trust me, I know. Or did I oversimplify too much there?

Personally, there is no way in the world I would fly on an American based flight that had not been screened by TSA. In spit of there flaws.

It was said before and is still true.... maybe it is you that should stay out of the airports instead of making the rest of us suffer the insanity of the TSA because of your irrational fears.

Answer this, since you seem to know something the rest of us don't: How does checking ID's at the front of the security check point deter terrorists? Do you honestly think that a terrorist couldn't forge an ID? It was pointed out a number of years ago, and I think someone actually did it to prove the point, that a terrorist could buy a ticket on a fake id, use their real id with a fake boarding pass to get through security, and then use the ticket with the fake id to get on the plane. So how does the very bored looking agent who didn't even look at me to compare it to the id I presented slow down a terrorist even slightly?

And these are the people who, in spite of years of evidence to the contrary, are supposed to be the first, or last line, of defense against the hordes of terrorists just waiting for the tiniest crack in the wall to get onto an aircraft?

Anonymous said...

all I see is complaining, and whining. if you can do better, do it.
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I wasn't aware that I could walk into my local airport, boot TSA out, and take over security. Yes, I could do it better, but that action might not go over so well.

Anonymous said...

Why did you delete my comment, West? It followed blog policy.

Anonymous said...

Prove that Carraway was removed for anything other than the utter failure of the TSA.