Friday, April 24, 2015

TSA Week in Review: 57 Firearms, 3 Batarangs, and More




This loaded firearm was discovered in a carry-on bag this week at Miami (MIA).
57 Firearms Discovered This Week Of the 57 firearms, 47 were loaded and 19 had rounds chambered.


From the left: Live smoke grenade discovered at Tulsa (TUL), and a live flash bang grenade discovered at Ft. Walton (VPS).
Smoke Grenade - A live smoke grenade was discovered in a carry-on bag at Tulsa (TUL). 

Flash Bang Grenade - A live flash bang grenade was discovered in a checked bag at Ft. Walton (VPS). 

Inert Ordnance and Grenades etc. – We continue to find inert grenades and other weaponry on a weekly basis. Please keep in mind that if an item looks like a real bomb, grenade, mine, etc., it is prohibited. When these items are found at a checkpoint or in checked baggage, they can cause significant delays because the explosives detection professionals must respond to resolve the alarm. Even if they are novelty items, you are prohibited from bringing them on the aircraft.  Read here on why inert items cause problems.

A replica 30 mm projectile was discovered in a carry-on bag at Kansas City (MCI).
Artfully Concealed Prohibited Items – Artfully concealed is a term used to describe an item that was intentionally hidden. It could be anything from a knife sewn into the lining of a bag to a sword hidden inside of a walking cane. If a concealed prohibited item is discovered in your bag or on your body, you could be cited and possibly arrested by law enforcement. Here is an example from this week where an artfully concealed item was found by our officers.


A non-metallic knife was discovered concealed under a passenger’s pants during a pat-down at Lihue (LIH).
Miscellaneous Prohibited Items In addition to all of the other prohibited items we find weekly, officers also regularly find firearm components, realistic replica firearms, bb and pellet guns, airsoft guns, brass knuckles, ammunition, batons and many other prohibited items too numerous to note.

Counterclockwise from top, knives discovered at SFO, CLE, LGA, MLI, ORD, SLC, SNA and HNL.
Three Batarangs were discovered in a carry-on bag at Charlotte (CLT).
Stun Guns - 10 stun guns were discovered this week in carry-on bags at Akron (CAK), Chicago O'Hare (ORD), Dallas Love (DAL), Denver (DEN), Gulfport (GPT), Minneapolis (MSP), New York LaGuardia (LGA), Palm Beach (PBI), San Francisco (SFO), and Sidney/Richland (SDY).

When packed properly, ammunition can be transported in your checked baggage, but it is never permissible to pack ammo in your carry-on bag.This ammo was all discovered this week in carry-on bags.
Counterclockwise from top, the firearms were discovered this week in carry-on bags at ATL, ATL, ATL, MIA, and BNA
*In order to provide a timely weekly update, this data is compiled from a preliminary report. The year-end numbers will vary slightly from what is reported in the weekly updates. However, any monthly, midyear or end-of-year numbers TSA provides on this blog or elsewhere will be actual numbers and not estimates. 

You can travel with your firearms in checked baggage, but they must first be declared to the airline. You can go here for more details on how to properly travel with your firearms. Firearm possession laws vary by state and locality. Travelers should familiarize themselves with state and local firearm laws for each point of travel prior to departure. 

Unfortunately these sorts of occurrences are all too frequent which is why we talk about these finds. Sure, it’s great to share the things that our officers are finding, but at the same time, each time we find a dangerous item, the line is slowed down and a passenger that likely had no ill intent ends up with a citation or in some cases is even arrested. The passenger can face a penalty as high as $11,000. This is a friendly reminder to please leave these items at home. Just because we find a prohibited item on an individual does not mean they had bad intentions; that's for the law enforcement officer to decide. In many cases, people simply forgot they had these items. 

Read our 2014 Year in Review post! If you haven’t read them yet, make sure you check out our year in review posts for 2011, 2012 and 2013.  

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Bob Burns
TSA Blog Team 

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61 comments:

Anonymous said...

Still censoring comments on Mel's non-apology that called out you and West for your double-standards about posting, Bobby?

I guess you and West really CAN'T take criticism, can you?

Anonymous said...

Whatever happened to the good old days when you could travel anywhere without big brothers interference?

SSSS for Some Reason said...

First.... "A replica 30 mm projectile was discovered in a carry-on bag at Kansas City"

After it was determined to be a replica was it allowed to fly? If not, why not?

Second.... Why do you list firearms found with a 'round chambered?' If the firearm is not permitted why does it status as to being loaded or not matter?

Anonymous said...

As always, absolutely nothing you needed your slow, invasive, and ineffective naked body scanners to detect. Meanwhile, how many people suffered physical searches thanks to false alarms on these useless machines?

Why are Curtis Burns and West Cooper unwilling to address, let alone answer, that question?

How many weeks has it been since you last trumpeted something dangerous you found with the naked body scanners?

RB said...

Were the Smoke and Flashbang grenades in the possession of military personnel?

Seeing as how TSA has gifted this group with Pre Check I think the question should be answered.

Anonymous said...

I remember well the original reason they put in those "nude-o-scopes".
As far as guns in the carry-ons, I for one do not want my seatmate with a loaded weapon (round chambered!) sitting next to me.
What happens if it goes off?
Accidentally?
We all die on that airplane.

Anonymous said...

I think the "good old days" went away when two airplanes slammed into the World Trade Center, one airplane into the Pentagon, and one into a field in Pennsylvania. How soon we forget.

Anonymous said...

What are the current failure rates for your internal tests regarding getting prohibited items through the checkpoint? The last data I saw said the failure rate was 70%. Is that the current failure rate? If not, what percentage is it?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I remember well the original reason they put in those "nude-o-scopes".
As far as guns in the carry-ons, I for one do not want my seatmate with a loaded weapon (round chambered!) sitting next to me.
What happens if it goes off?
Accidentally?
We all die on that airplane.

April 26, 2015 at 11:05 AM
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you've been watching too many movies. no one dies unless they happen to be in the path of the bullet. a bullet hole cannot bring down an airliner. this has been discusssed repeatedly, and it's simply not the case. there is NOTHING dangerous about carrying a firearm on a plane.

Anonymous said...

I continue to wait for some justification for active duty military being included in pre-check, but not retired military or holders of current DoD or LE background investigations. military retirees have at least 20 years documented service to this Nation, pretty much proving their lack of risk. both DoD and LE background investigations should reveal any risk factors. active duty military do not, necessarily, have a background check or any significant length of service. neither citizenship nor a background investigation is required to enlist in the military, in fact there are likely illegal immigrants serving. if it is really about safety, then why are potentially unscreened non-citizens allowed through? sounds like it is just pandering to an admirable group to get PR, not adjusting the rules to ease screening on those who present a lower likelihood of threat.
Let me be clear: pre-911 screening should be the norm. it is all that is required, now that cockpit doors have been reinforced and locked, and flight crews and passengers know that the rules have changed and passivity=death. however, if we are going to continue this massive waste of tax dollars on security theatre, at least have _some_ of the rules make sense. now you're even allowing college kids (kaydets) to endure more reasonable screening, but those who served and sacrificed for 20+ have to take their bloody shoes and belts off!!

Ruben Couto said...

What about all the weapons that are NOT discovered?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I remember well the original reason they put in those "nude-o-scopes".
As far as guns in the carry-ons, I for one do not want my seatmate with a loaded weapon (round chambered!) sitting next to me.
What happens if it goes off?
Accidentally?
We all die on that airplane.


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Umm... .no. To all of it.

Guns don't just 'go off' without pulling the trigger first.

Guns don't just 'go off' accidentally.

And a bullet is not going to take down an aircraft. That kind of stuff only happens in movies.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I think the "good old days" went away when two airplanes slammed into the World Trade Center, one airplane into the Pentagon, and one into a field in Pennsylvania. How soon we forget.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Why do you assume we have forgotten that terrible tragedy?

And why do you still, fourteen years later, still hold that up as the reason for what the TSA does? The TSA couldn't have stopped it then, and they aren't able to stop it now.

RB said...

Anonymous said...
I remember well the original reason they put in those "nude-o-scopes".

Why did they put in place Strip Search Machines? Since you remember please let the rest of us know.


As far as guns in the carry-ons, I for one do not want my seatmate with a loaded weapon (round chambered!) sitting next to me.

I think most people would agree with you on this.

What happens if it goes off?
Accidentally?
We all die on that airplane.

This is were your ignorance come out fully.

Are you one of those that thinks a bullet hole in the fuselage of an aircraft is going to cause horrible things to happen?

Clue, airplanes leak air all the time, and one more small hole will not have a serious impact on the airplane in and of itself.

And just as a bit extra, no one can open a door on a pressurized airplane, ain't going to happen.


April 26, 2015 at 11:05 AM

Anonymous said...

I think the "good old days" went away when two airplanes slammed into the World Trade Center, one airplane into the Pentagon, and one into a field in Pennsylvania. How soon we forget.

Sad, but true. And so many Americans have since become experts on security. They sadley think the threat has gone away, mostly since it hasnt happened a second time. I would argue it hasnt happened a second time because of TSA, not in spite of them. Sure some of the tactics by TSA seem redundantand silly. But if you apply any logic to it, you can see why they do what they do. I would rather over react than under react any time. And with all the curruption and mismanaged government agencies, TSA is far from my concern.

Anonymous said...

TSA Mission Statement:

"Protect the Nation's transportation systems to ensure freedom of movement for people and commerce."

Thank you TSA for 1017 consecutive weeks of fullfilling your mission statement. 1017 consecutive weeks without a single terror attack or attempt on an American based flight.
(notice nowhere in the statement is anything said about "catching" terrorists. It simply isnt their job.)
that is about 18,486,000,000 passenger who have flown safely because of TSA and their dedication.Haters are going to hate, but you cannot argue with facts. Unless someone can point out a terror attack that didnt make the news.

GSOLTSO said...

Anon sez - "I guess you and West really CAN'T take criticism, can you?"

I can take plenty of criticism, I have been with the same woman for 18 years - I am quite familiar with criticism.

SSSS sez - "After it was determined to be a replica was it allowed to fly? If not, why not?"

I can not say for certain, as I do not have the information - but based upon the posted information at the TSA pages, the item would not be allowed to transit since it would fall under the "realistic explosive replica" type of heading. No explosives or replicas of explosives have been allowed for ages.

West
TSA Blog Team

Anonymous said...

I'm glad to see you still have a sense of humor Bob after all the harsh comments (both from this blog site and you wife). 28 years and counting for me. Unfortunately I have to tell you it doesn't lessen any--you just get numb to it.

RB said...

Anonymous said...
I think the "good old days" went away when two airplanes slammed into the World Trade Center, one airplane into the Pentagon, and one into a field in Pennsylvania. How soon we forget.
.......................
Sad, but true. And so many Americans have since become experts on security. They sadley think the threat has gone away, mostly since it hasnt happened a second time. I would argue it hasnt happened a second time because of TSA, not in spite of them. Sure some of the tactics by TSA seem redundantand silly. But if you apply any logic to it, you can see why they do what they do. I would rather over react than under react any time. And with all the curruption and mismanaged government agencies, TSA is far from my concern.

April 27, 2015 at 10:34 AM
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TSA is one of those corrupt and mismanaged government agencies you speak of.

No one has forgotten and few claim to be security experts with the exception of TSORon.

What we do know is that what allowed 9/11 to happen successfully was just a few key things.

*Unsecured cockpits.

*Passenger compliance with hijackers.

*Government regulations that allowed knives and such past security.

Even without TSA two of the above three, which have been fully implemented, would have stopped the attacks on 9/11.

Now we have the same government that caused 9/11 in complete charge of security.

Not to mention TSA's government workforce that is rife with criminals of all types including murderers, rapist, child sex predators, thieves, and so on.

America has better options than TSA!



SSSS for Some Reason said...

Anonymous said...Sad, but true. And so many Americans have since become experts on security. They sadley think the threat has gone away,

No. What We DO realize is the threat is extremely small. Very extremely small.

mostly since it hasnt happened a second time.

You do realize they have airplanes in other parts of the world, don't you? And they DON'T have TSA. Where are the 9-11 style attacks in those other countries?


I would argue it hasnt happened a second time because of TSA, not in spite of them.

No. "Magic Rock" or "Tiger Rock Theory." Argue all you want, you will loose when even the smallest amount of critical thinking is applies to the argument. The absence of a thing is not proof positive of the prevention of that thing.

Sure some of the tactics by TSA seem redundantand silly.

Most of them, but OK, we'll go with 'some.'

But if you apply any logic to it, you can see why they do what they do.

You must be using a different definition of Logic than I am. I apply logic to most of what the TSA does and come to the conclusion that they are very expensive theater to make people 'feel' safe. "Look Martha, look how many security guards they have here. No bad guy would ever think to try something at this airport."

But seriously, lets try your logic on something really simple.... 3-1-1.

How is 20 ounces of liquid in 3 ounce containers in a zippy bag MORE safe than a single 16 ounce container of liquid? Use some logic and explain it please.


I would rather over react than under react any time.

But that isn't how security works. Security is supposed to be proactive, not reactive. If you are reacting to events then you didn't secure anything or anyone from those events. That is like closing the barn door after the horses are already out of the barn.


And with all the curruption and mismanaged government agencies, TSA is far from my concern.

Ummmm...... really?

TSA is a Government Agency.

Why would you think them immune from all that corruption and mismanagement?

SSSS for Some Reason said...

GSOLTSO said.......the item would not be allowed to transit since it would fall under the "realistic explosive replica" type of heading. No explosives or replicas of explosives have been allowed for ages.


And that is the question...... why are replica's disallowed?

I am not asking about an airsoft pistol that is, at a glance, just like a regular pistol. I am asking about inert grenades with the customer service sign attached to them. I am asking about the frosted glass bottles that are faceted in a manner similar to a grenade. I am asking about the hunk of inert metal that looks like it was welded from a couple of soda cans to look like it might have maybe possibly been used in a tank somewhere. I am asking about the 1 inch plastic pistol that was part of a larger toy. I am asking about the belt buckle that looked like a buck rodgers ray gun......

Why are all those things and the many, many others posted here weekly, not allowed to fly?

RB said...

GSOLTSO said...

West
TSA Blog Team

April 27, 2015 at 11:12 AM
...........

West, did you post as "spotnik" on Flyertalk some years ago?

Anonymous said...

West says:

I can take plenty of criticism, I have been with the same woman for 18 years - I am quite familiar with criticism.

And yet you still refuse to post the comment calling you out on your selective censorship. Because it demonstrates that you DO read the comments, yet lack the courage to actually address the issues.

I guess you're right-- you're not thin-skinned, you're just a coward.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I think the "good old days" went away when two airplanes slammed into the World Trade Center, one airplane into the Pentagon, and one into a field in Pennsylvania. How soon we forget.

Sad, but true. And so many Americans have since become experts on security. They sadley think the threat has gone away, mostly since it hasnt happened a second time. I would argue it hasnt happened a second time because of TSA, not in spite of them. Sure some of the tactics by TSA seem redundantand silly. But if you apply any logic to it, you can see why they do what they do. I would rather over react than under react any time. And with all the curruption and mismanaged government agencies, TSA is far from my concern.

April 27, 2015 at 10:34 AM

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I think it hasn't happened because terrorists either aren't around every corner like some like to believe or more likely, they aren't trying because they don't have to do anything anymore. They've already caused us to spend billions, wasted countless hours of our time due to security changes. If you told someone 15 years ago what air travel would be like, they would say you are crazy, but here we are.

I think locking the cockpit doors and passengers fighting back did more for airline security than the TSA. I see the TSA as Lisa Simpson's "Tiger Repellent Rock". While she had it, there were no tigers around, so it must work.

Clayton Peterson said...

To the Thousands Standing Around: If you are going to rip apart a box carrying an $8,000 downhill mountain bike that was carefully packed to ensure damage would not occur, pleas be a PROFESSIONAL and put the same care into repacking said item after you "inspect" it that the owner did. You're welcome.

Jonathan said...

Why do you specify the number of firearms that had a round chambered? It would seem enough to indicate loaded or unloaded considering a loaded revolver by virtue of being loaded has a round chambered.

GSOLTSO said...

RB sez - "West, did you post as "spotnik" on Flyertalk some years ago?"

Nope, only under the current handle.

West
TSA blog Team

GSOLTSO said...

Anon sez - "Unfortunately I have to tell you it doesn't lessen any--you just get numb to it."

Hah!

West
TSA Blog Team

RB said...

GSOLTSO said...
RB sez - "West, did you post as "spotnik" on Flyertalk some years ago?"
..................
Nope, only under the current handle.

West
TSA blog Team

April 29, 2015 at 5:22 AM
.............
You sure about that?

Seems after your promotion to LTSO you had them change your user name a bit.

Anonymous said...

Does Bob Burns have any association with the TSA Blog?

He certainly never communicates with the public.

RB said...

Clayton Peterson said...
To the Thousands Standing Around: If you are going to rip apart a box carrying an $8,000 downhill mountain bike that was carefully packed to ensure damage would not occur, pleas be a PROFESSIONAL and put the same care into repacking said item after you "inspect" it that the owner did. You're welcome.

April 28, 2015 at 3:28 PM

I read a post recently (last couple of months), and if I remember correctly it was by TSA's Press Secretary, that TSA doesn't have the time to properly repack baggage they tear apart if you are expecting your checked items to go on the airplane.

Another move by TSA to not be responsible for anything.

If have been looking for that statement and haven't recovered it yet but I swear that is the meat of what the person posted.

Anonymous said...

You might want to change the chart. The first gun pictured in the post is a FN Five-Seven, 5.7mm x 28mm. The chart identifies it as a 7.5mm gun.

GSOLTSO said...

RB sez - "You sure about that?

Seems after your promotion to LTSO you had them change your user name a bit."

I am quite certain that I have never posted anything anywhere under the handle of Spotnik/spotnik/spotNik or any other variation of that name. It was 2008 (or perhaps it was early 2009) that my name changed from GSOTSO to GSOLTSO, and I have kept that ever since. Any other postings under any other names at this site or the other one that you mentioned is someone else.

West
TSA Blog Team

RB said...

http://m.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/tsa-agent-arrested-charged-faking-cancer-5-years/nk5Rq/

TSA agent arrested, charged with faking cancer for 5 years

Another example of a quality TSA employee.

Anonymous said...

Clayton Peterson said...
[[To the Thousands Standing Around: If you are going to rip apart a box carrying an $8,000 downhill mountain bike that was carefully packed to ensure damage would not occur, pleas be a PROFESSIONAL and put the same care into repacking said item after you "inspect" it that the owner did. You're welcome.]]

Clayton, please try and remember that TSA is only one of many possible groups that handle baggage going into the cargo compartments of commercial aricraft. At a minimum, you have 2 other groups handling your baggage, and likely more than that. TSA is never the last one to handel your bags.

Anonymous said...

West, name all TSA employees or contractors who have moderator privileges on this blog. Thank you in advance.

RB said...

Anonymous said...
Clayton Peterson said...
[[To the Thousands Standing Around: If you are going to rip apart a box carrying an $8,000 downhill mountain bike that was carefully packed to ensure damage would not occur, pleas be a PROFESSIONAL and put the same care into repacking said item after you "inspect" it that the owner did. You're welcome.]]

Clayton, please try and remember that TSA is only one of many possible groups that handle baggage going into the cargo compartments of commercial aricraft. At a minimum, you have 2 other groups handling your baggage, and likely more than that. TSA is never the last one to handel your bags.

April 29, 2015 at 9:23 PM

...........
So even with an $8,000,000,000.00 dollar annual budget TSA can't even secure checked baggage?

And people think TSA is keeping them safe.

When pigs fly!

SSSS for Some Reason said...

Anonymous said...Clayton, [the guy with the bike that was unpacked] please try and remember that TSA is only one of many possible groups that handle baggage going into the cargo compartments of commercial aricraft. At a minimum, you have 2 other groups handling your baggage, and likely more than that. TSA is never the last one to handel your bags.

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Yes, there are others that are handling the bags.

The TSA, however, are the only group that routinely open our bags to look for whatever they are looking for.

Those other two or more groups rarely open bags and boxes up to see what's inside.

Anonymous said...

"Yes, there are others that are handling the bags.

The TSA, however, are the only group that routinely open our bags to look for whatever they are looking for.

Those other two or more groups rarely open bags and boxes up to see what's inside."

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Its always TSA isnt it. Just a simple google search brought up several links to baggage handler theft cases...So quick to pass judgement.

Anonymous said...

The TSA cannot be trusted to provide accurate information to the American public or our Congressional representatives when this blog constantly reuses photos of weapons week to week. Your stats are wrong. Your "evidence" is wrong.

Stop lying to American taxpayers, Bob!

@SkyWayManAz said...

Some recent comments about the good old days reminded me almost all of the good catches on this blog would have been caught by airport security back then. Most of what wouldn't have been caught back then would have been because they were allowed on aircraft. There were some problems back then that screeners mostly made minimum wage and too many were not able to speak English. These problems could have been addressed much more cost effectively than the post 9/11 over reaction we've suffered from ever since. Removing the airlines from being in charge of security should have been done in the 90’s when PFC charges were allowed on tickets. Instead of creating a huge unaccountable government agency security standards could have continued to be set by the FAA but the screeners would be funded by the airport authority by those charges on tickets. TSA writes the rules and executes them as if the public were prisoners in their charge. They show little sign of realizing how inappropriate this is so I don’t expect it to change any time soon. However one day they’ll eventually do something that will be impossible to ignore and public opinion will change. They are extremely fortunate from some of the passengers with medical needs problems they’ve had they haven’t accidentally killed someone . . . yet.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Bold Blotter Intern, the comments were that the TSA opens and does not correctly repack luggage, and leave evidence that they opened the baggage with the "we searched your bag" card.

There are numerous reports of liquids and powders being opened and spilled or incorrectly closed in passengers' baggage. Baggage searched by the TSA.

Susan Richart said...

Anonymous wrote:

"Clayton, please try and remember that TSA is only one of many possible groups that handle baggage going into the cargo compartments of commercial aricraft. At a minimum, you have 2 other groups handling your baggage, and likely more than that. TSA is never the last one to handel your bags."

No one, other than the TSA, is going to tear apart a package to inspect it.

The only reason a baggage handler would go into a package would be to steal something; nothing was stolen so it is very unlikely that baggage handlers ripped the box open.

Re: the same anonymous person who wrote the long comment giving cites, please note that most of those cites refer to baggage handlers stealing items.

The bike in question was not stolen. It was the TSA that damaged the shipping carton.

screen shot/DHS OIG statement

Anonymous said...

No. What We DO realize is the threat is extremely small. Very extremely small.
based on your intel? You are quite wrong on this.

You do realize they have airplanes in other parts of the world, don't you? And they DON'T have TSA. Where are the 9-11 style attacks in those other countries?
and you realize AMERICA is the target in most cases? You also realize flights from other countries have been used as "tests" for American based flights? Shoe bomber, underware bomber, Bojinka...All were tested elsewhere with the intention of tageting US flights if they worked. Why do we (you) assume it will be a 9-11 style attack?

But seriously, lets try your logic on something really simple.... 3-1-1.

How is 20 ounces of liquid in 3 ounce containers in a zippy bag MORE safe than a single 16 ounce container of liquid? Use some logic and explain it please.
do you have an alternate plan? Let all liquids in? Do we test all of them or increase the risk of another bojinka style attack? Testing all liquids will make screening even slower, allowing them in will greatly increase the risk..which do you prefer?

But that isn't how security works. Security is supposed to be proactive, not reactive. If you are reacting to events then you didn't secure anything or anyone from those events. That is like closing the barn door after the horses are already out of the barn.

actually, you have to be both. If you dont react to what has allready happened, it could very easily happen again...but I assume you knew that.

Ummmm...... really?

TSA is a Government Agency.

Why would you think them immune from all that corruption and mismanagement?

I dont believe I ever said that.

Anonymous said...


What we do know is that what allowed 9/11 to happen successfully was just a few key things.

*Unsecured cockpits.

*Passenger compliance with hijackers.

*Government regulations that allowed knives and such past security.

Even without TSA two of the above three, which have been fully implemented, would have stopped the attacks on 9/11.

Now we have the same government that caused 9/11 in complete charge of security.

America has better options than TSA!
why do people assume a 9-11 type attack is the only threat? Nobody has to get into a cockpit to take a plane down. Nobody has to have any contact with passengers to take a plane down.
Yes, a 9-11 type attack is a long shot. But there are other threats.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Bold Blotter Intern, the comments were that the TSA opens and does not correctly repack luggage, and leave evidence that they opened the baggage with the "we searched your bag" card.

There are numerous reports of liquids and powders being opened and spilled or incorrectly closed in passengers' baggage. Baggage searched by the TSA.

no, actually the comment was

"The TSA, however, are the only group that routinely open our bags to look for whatever they are looking for."

Your comment insinuates that TSA is the only group that routinley opens bags to look for whatever they look for. I say that since it was your quote. Clearly they are NOT the only group.

Anonymous said...

No. What We DO realize is the threat is extremely small. Very extremely small.

mostly since it hasnt happened a second time.

and there is no way, absolutly impossible, could not in any way even remotly be in part due to TSA?
I guess the logical thing to do then would be to eliminate TSA and see if it does happen. Then we will know for sure if we need TSA. Of course, people will have a lot of explaining to do the families of the people killed if you are wrong.Maybe we could just have TSA stop screening some of th flights and compair the two. And lets put your family on the unscreened flights.You know, this is such a great idea, im going to practice it at home. I have not died of carbon monoxide poisening since i put in the new detectors. I think Ill remove them to see if they work. I think illeven remove all teh passwords from my bank accounts to see if they are preventing anyone from stealing my money.

RB said...

Anonymous said...

What we do know is that what allowed 9/11 to happen successfully was just a few key things.

*Unsecured cockpits.

*Passenger compliance with hijackers.

*Government regulations that allowed knives and such past security.

Even without TSA two of the above three, which have been fully implemented, would have stopped the attacks on 9/11.

Now we have the same government that caused 9/11 in complete charge of security.

America has better options than TSA!



why do people assume a 9-11 type attack is the only threat? Nobody has to get into a cockpit to take a plane down. Nobody has to have any contact with passengers to take a plane down.
Yes, a 9-11 type attack is a long shot. But there are other threats.

May 4, 2015 at 8:11 AM


On this we agree 100%.

TSA's failure to screen everyone who has access to the sterile areas of the airports is a large concern, one that TSA continues to ignore.

Given the current situation the easiest access to an airplane is through some person that is unlikely to receive any form of screening at all. Aircraft baggage handlers, mechanics, flight line personnel, and other who could easily introduce a weapon or other contraband into an airplane.

It goes without saying that if checked luggage is so unsecured that things can be taken out then something can also be added.

And the above proves that TSA is nothing more than Security Theater.

Anonymous said...

Actually, Bold Blotter Intern, the TSA is the MAIN baggage handlers who routinely and as part of their everyday procedures open checked baggage and handle the contents within at such a volume as to be the main culprits in breaking, spilling, damaging, and stealing property.

Yes, DEA, Ag, and other departments will inspect some items directly related to their missions, but not one of the claims from innocent passengers who've had their private property damaged or stolen have been related to DEA, FDA, Ag, etc. If they had, they'd be talking with those agencies.

Who is leaving the "we opened your bag" cards? The TSA. Do you lend TSA cards to other agencies?

Are you accusing airline baggage handlers of opening bags as a routine and frequent part of their jobs?

Anonymous said...

Straw man argument you continue to make with frequent misspellings. Are you the TSAnonymous who claims to have two masters degrees?

No one except you and your TSA buddies have such a binary thought process.

Wintermute said...

"You know, this is such a great idea, im going to practice it at home. I have not died of carbon monoxide poisening since i put in the new detectors. I think Ill remove them to see if they work. I think illeven remove all teh passwords from my bank accounts to see if they are preventing anyone from stealing my money."

Ever hear of a logical fallacy? Didn't think so, because you would never make such a flawed argument if you had

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
No. What We DO realize is the threat is extremely small. Very extremely small.
based on your intel? You are quite wrong on this.


Let me guess.....

You guys picked up some increased chatter out of idontknowwhereistan and it was kicked up stairs. The big boys decided it was a credible threat and you are now on your way to a top-level mission meeting. On your way you decided to stop by the front-lines to improve their morale by telling them how important their jobs are. And to prove it you took a few minutes of your precious time to try and talk down at some of the naysayers that frequent this comment section. But that's OK, you know how important your job is even if we don't, you know you are keeping all of us safe each and every night. You know that without you and the TSA we would all have been blown up or worse.

I know you can't agree with me because that information is SSI. And, seeing as this is an internet forum, any agreement on your part would just alert the terrorists that you are on to their plans. So in order to keep from blowing your cover and screwing this mission, don't respond and we'll know its all true.

Anonymous said...

Actually, Bold Blotter Intern, the TSA is the MAIN baggage handlers who routinely and as part of their everyday procedures open checked baggage and handle the contents within at such a volume as to be the main culprits in breaking, spilling, damaging, and stealing property.

Yes, DEA, Ag, and other departments will inspect some items directly related to their missions, but not one of the claims from innocent passengers who've had their private property damaged or stolen have been related to DEA, FDA, Ag, etc. If they had, they'd be talking with those agencies.

Who is leaving the "we opened your bag" cards? The TSA. Do you lend TSA cards to other agencies?

Are you accusing airline baggage handlers of opening bags as a routine and frequent part of their jobs?

your right...TSA does open bags on occasion as part of thier duties. Just think abou this for a second. Yes its a long shot but it just might be possible..
Perhaps someone other than TSA opens a bag, steals something then closes the bag again...
And they do it without putting a notification in the bag. Huh..
Its just possible that a thief would not leave a calling card.

Naw, you're right. TSA opens bags all of which are under a video camera and leaves a card.. therefore they must be the theif. Good job inspector, you solved it.

RB said...

Anonymous said...

your right...TSA does open bags on occasion as part of thier duties. Just think abou this for a second. Yes its a long shot but it just might be possible..
Perhaps someone other than TSA opens a bag, steals something then closes the bag again...
And they do it without putting a notification in the bag. Huh..
Its just possible that a thief would not leave a calling card.

Naw, you're right. TSA opens bags all of which are under a video camera and leaves a card.. therefore they must be the theif. Good job inspector, you solved it.

May 6, 2015 at 11:09 AM
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So what you're saying based on your on words is that baggage once inspected by TSA is not secure and can be opened by parties unknown.

At that point does it really matter if these unknown people are just taking something out of the bags or maybe putting something in the bags, perhaps something like a bomb?

For $8,000,000,000.00 dollars a year shouldn't we expect baggage once inspected by TSA to be secure?

I think so!

Obviously TSA doesn't care!

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Bold Blotter Intern, for spelling out exactly how TSA employees steal from passengers' checked baggage, then claim it was the airline baggage handlers because they break even more rules by not leaving a TSA card in the bag.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Bold Blotter Intern, for spelling out exactly how TSA employees steal from passengers' checked baggage, then claim it was the airline baggage handlers because they break even more rules by not leaving a TSA card in the bag.

is that what you got out of what I wrote? Im not suggesting there havent been and wont be more TSA theives. What Im saying is there are also baggage handlers who are theives. Who is more likley to be the theif, the TSA guy who opens a bag directly under a video camera, who has computer data showing he opened the bag or a baggage handler who is inside of a cargo hold where nobody can see him?
You cant just blame TSA because you done like them.

Anonymous said...

For $8,000,000,000.00 dollars a year shouldn't we expect baggage once inspected by TSA to be secure?

I think so!

Obviously TSA doesn't care!

Are you suggesting then that TSA have officers standing by with screened bags until they are loaded onto the plane? Would you like TSA to load the plane? What about bags that stay at an airport for several hours waiting for a connecting flight, should TSA stand by with them?

Airlines have to have some responsibility to hire and screen employees. TSA cannot possibly secure every gate, every door, every cargo hold and watch every bag. Nor can they screen every employee that works at an airport.
Its rediculoous to even suggest they do.

SSSS for Some Reason said...

Anonymous said... TSA cannot possibly secure every gate, every door, every cargo hold and watch every bag. Nor can they screen every employee that works at an airport.
Its rediculoous to even suggest they do.


Then why are we paying the TSA Eight Billion Dollars a year? Doing all that stuff you claim is redicloous [sic] is exactly what the TSA says they are here to do.

RB said...

Anonymous said...
For $8,000,000,000.00 dollars a year shouldn't we expect baggage once inspected by TSA to be secure?

I think so!

Obviously TSA doesn't care!

Are you suggesting then that TSA have officers standing by with screened bags until they are loaded onto the plane? Would you like TSA to load the plane? What about bags that stay at an airport for several hours waiting for a connecting flight, should TSA stand by with them?

Airlines have to have some responsibility to hire and screen employees. TSA cannot possibly secure every gate, every door, every cargo hold and watch every bag. Nor can they screen every employee that works at an airport.
Its rediculoous to even suggest they do.

May 7, 2015 at 8:12 AM

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TSA's mission taken from www.TSA.Gov

"Mission
Protect the Nation's transportation systems to ensure freedom of movement for people and commerce."

The question seems to be if the commercial aviation system is protected when some people have unfettered access to passengers property or to the airplanes themselves.

I would suggest that it is not, not by a long shot, and TSA isn't even trying.

It is TSA's responsibility to work with the airlines/airports to help design, implement, and to approve airport security plans.

If passenger baggage (and perhaps cargo) is not secure then the security plan is not effective. Same goes for employee screening. If employees can enter with contraband or exit with stolen property then the security plan is not effective.

I do believe that each and every person who enters the sterile area should be screened each and every time. If necessary and until such time that baggage is protected from employee thieves the same people should be screened on every exit.

TSA has excess employees engaged in Gate Checks, BDO programs that are worthless, VIPR teams, and any observer can see TSA people standing around doing nothing at checkpoints so it is not a matter of not having manpower, it is the poor use of the available manpower by management.

TSA is an $8,000,000,000.00 joke.

Anonymous said...

Bold Blotter Intern, no one has said here, except maybe you, that airline baggage handlers don't steal.

Baggage handlers for the airlines do NOT as a regular and common part of their job, open bags and rummage through their contents.

You claim this is all under the watchful eye of some cameras. Cameras that the thieving screeners know about and avoid. Cameras that "weren't working" or "revealed nothing" when TSA is pressed by the public to prove their employees weren't the culprits.

The TSA opens thousands of bags and mishandles our private property every day. I'm not even talking about stealing. They cut off TSA locks. They don't reseal bottles of liquids and powders. They poorly repack fragile items. All under the watchful eye of those cameras, whose footage rarely, if ever, sees the light of day.

Anonymous said...

TSA cannot possibly secure every gate, every door, every cargo hold and watch every bag.

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If they don't, then the screening they do is completely pointless. It's akin to locking your windows but leaving the door wide open...