Friday, April 10, 2015

TSA Week in Review: 36 Loaded Firearms, Samurai Sword, and More

Loaded firearm discovered in carry-on bag at OMA
Loaded firearm discovered in carry-on bag at OMA
44 Firearms Discovered This Week – Of the 44 firearms, 36 were loaded and 8 had rounds chambered.
      
Inert Ordnance and Grenades etc. – We continue to find inert grenades and other weaponry on a weekly basis. Please keep in mind that if an item looks like a real bomb, grenade, mine, etc., it is prohibited. When these items are found at a checkpoint or in checked baggage, they can cause significant delays because the explosives detection professionals must respond to resolve the alarm. Even if they are novelty items, you are prohibited from bringing them on the aircraft.

  • Two inert grenades were detected in carry-on bags this week at Chicago O’Hare (ORD), and San Antonio (SAT).
.50 Caliber Rounds and an Inert Grenade (SAT)
.50 Caliber Rounds and an Inert Grenade (SAT)
Artfully Concealed Prohibited Items – Artfully concealed is a term used to describe an item that was intentionally hidden. It could be anything from a knife sewn into the lining of a bag to a sword hidden inside of a walking cane. If a concealed prohibited item is discovered in your bag or on your body, you could be cited and possibly arrested by law enforcement. Here is an example from this week where an artfully concealed item was discovered by our officers.
  • A comb knife was detected in a carry-on bag at Richmond (RIC).
  • A 6-inch knife was detected under the lining of a carry-on bag at San Francisco (SFO).
Comb Knife (RIC)
Comb Knife (RIC)

Miscellaneous Prohibited Items – In addition to all of the other prohibited items we find weekly, officers also regularly find firearm components, realistic replica firearms, bb and pellet guns, airsoft guns, brass knuckles, ammunition, batons and many other prohibited items too numerous to note.


Samurai Sword - A short Samurai sword was discovered in a carry-on bag at La Guardia (LGA). All knives and swords are prohibited from being transported in carry-on bags. However, they may be packed in checked baggage.

Counterclockwise from top, knives discovered at LGA, HNL, CLT, GRK, LGB, OAK, ORD, MDW, LAX, AUS, ORD, PVD & ONT
Counterclockwise from top, items discovered at LGA, HNL, CLT, GRK, LGB, OAK, ORD, MDW, LAX, AUS, ORD, PVD & ONT
4.3 Kilos of Cocaine - As we’ve said before, we’re not looking for illegal narcotics, but we have to report them to law enforcement when discovered. That was the case this week when 4.3 kilos of cocaine were discovered concealed in two shampoo bottles in a checked bag at Atlanta (ATL).

Stun Guns - 18 stun guns were discovered in carry-on bags this week. Four were discovered at Dallas Fort Worth (DFW), two at Denver (DEN), two at Las Vegas (LAS), and the others were discovered at Amarillo (AMA), Atlanta (ATL), Boston (BOS), Chicago Midway (MDW), Dallas Love (DAL), Nashville (BNA), Norfolk (ORF), Oklahoma City (OKC), Reno (RNO), and San Francisco (SFO).


Ammunition Discovered In Carry-on Bags This Week
Ammunition Discovered In Carry-on Bags This Week




Ammunition – When packed properly, ammunition can be transported in your checked baggage, but it is never permissible to pack ammo in your carry-on bag.
  

Clockwise from top left, firearms discovered at ATL, CLT, and DAL
Clockwise from top left, firearms discovered at ATL, CLT, and DAL
Clockwise from top left, firearms discovered at ATL, TUL, GPI, SAT, JAN, and ATL
Clockwise from top left, firearms discovered at ATL, TUL, GPI, SAT, JAN, and ATL

Loaded firearm discovered at PHX
Loaded firearm discovered at PHX

44 Firearms Discovered This Week – Of the 44 firearms, 36 were loaded and 8 had rounds chambered.
*In order to provide a timely weekly update, this data is compiled from a preliminary report. The year-end numbers will vary slightly from what is reported in the weekly updates. However, any monthly, midyear or end-of-year numbers TSA provides on this blog or elsewhere will be actual numbers and not estimates.

You can travel with your firearms in checked baggage, but they must first be declared to the airline. You can go here for more details on how to properly travel with your firearms. Firearm possession laws vary by state and locality. Travelers should familiarize themselves with state and local firearm laws for each point of travel prior to departure.

Unfortunately these sorts of occurrences are all too frequent which is why we talk about these finds. Sure, it’s great to share the things that our officers are finding, but at the same time, each time we find a dangerous item, the line is slowed down and a passenger that likely had no ill intent ends up with a citation or in some cases is even arrested. The passenger can face a penalty as high as $7,500. This is a friendly reminder to please leave these items at home. Just because we find a prohibited item on an individual does not mean they had bad intentions; that's for the law enforcement officer to decide. In many cases, people simply forgot they had these items.

Read our 2014 Year in Review post! If you haven’t read them yet, make sure you check out our year in review posts for 2011, 2012 and 2013.


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44 comments:

SSSS for Some Reason said...

Why do you specify the number of firearms that had a round chambered? It would seem enough to indicate loaded or unloaded considering a loaded revolver by virtue of being loaded has a round chambered.

Anonymous said...

As always, absolutely nothing you needed your slow, invasive, and ineffective naked body scanners to detect. Meanwhile, how many people suffered physical searches thanks to false alarms on these useless machines?

Why are Curtis Burns and West Cooper unwilling to address, let alone answer, that question?

How many weeks has it been since you last trumpeted something dangerous you found with the naked body scanners?

Anonymous said...

SSSS stated in a recent blog, "I don't understand how that person giving you $85 is somehow safer than me who didn't”

It’s a risk assessment. Why do banks run credit checks before lending money? It’s not the $85 that makes you safer, it’s the background vetting. Is pre-check a perfect system? Of course not, but risk assessments, like pre-check, is an acknowledgement that not everyone represents the same level of risk.

“I don't want *any* passengers treated like criminals.”

This is silly. Spend a little time in an american prison to see how criminals are actually treated. Passengers and their property are screened to limit the risk to the aircraft and other passengers. Nothing is criminal about TSA "trusting but verifying" as they do their job.

“It used to be that I was treated like a citizen until the TSA came along”

Pre-TSA screening included WTMD’s, Hand Held Metal Detectors, bag searches, and limited pat downs. How was that treating you like a citizen?

Anonymous said...

I am assuming your non American. After 9/11 our world change because of some horrible people.
TSA. Keep scanning and digging for illegal items and prosecute the dumb asses who either try to hide items or forget there there. How DOES someone forget a gun or knife is in there bag. Duh!!!!

Anonymous said...

Thank you TSA and all your staff for a great job a keeping us Americans more safe when we fly or sail.

Anonymous said...

I continue to wait for some justification for active duty military being included in pre-check, but not retired military or holders of current DoD or LE background investigations. military retirees have at least 20 years documented service to this Nation, pretty much proving their lack of risk. both DoD and LE background investigations should reveal any risk factors. active duty military do not, necessarily, have a background check or any significant length of service. neither citizenship nor a background investigation is required to enlist in the military, in fact there are likely illegal immigrants serving. if it is really about safety, then why are potentially unscreened non-citizens allowed through? sounds like it is just pandering to an admirable group to get PR, not adjusting the rules to ease screening on those who present a lower likelihood of threat.
Let me be clear: pre-911 screening should be the norm. it is all that is required, now that cockpit doors have been reinforced and locked, and flight crews and passengers know that the rules have changed and passivity=death. however, if we are going to continue this massive waste of tax dollars on security theatre, at least have _some_ of the rules make sense. now you're even allowing college kids (kaydets) to endure more reasonable screening, but those who served and sacrificed for 20+ have to take their bloody shoes and belts off!!

Anonymous said...

Is there a point to posting the guns and knives the TSA finds each week? It seems like these should be pretty easy to find with the x-ray machine and metal detector, just like they have found for decades. There was nothing that notable found this week and most other weeks.

The TSA is just doing their jobs stopping these guns and knives. It should require a press release for performing the most basic part of airport security. It doesn't seem to be reducing the number of guns and knives found, so it isn't very effective.

Anonymous said...

TSA finds 30 to 50 or so handguns each week along with a variety of other real weapons.

How come TSA has been so unsuccessful on getting the word out to the public about TSA's weapon rules?

Perhaps TSA needs to start doing some PSA TV spots. It certainly couldn't hurt.

Anonymous said...

Care to comment on this report, Bob and West, or any of you other TSAers who post here anonymously:

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/04/13/cbs4-investigation-tsa-screeners-at-dia-manipulated-system-to-grope-mens-genitals/

Anonymous said...

Any comments on this one?

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/04/13/cbs4-investigation-tsa-screeners-at-dia-manipulated-system-to-grope-mens-genitals/

It's scary that people have been conditioned to think that this type of touching is normal at the airport. Maybe some of the victims wanted to speak out but were afraid of retaliation and missing their flights.

I think this points out another huge vulnerability with the body scanners. Let's say a TSA worker was in on a plot to smuggle prohibited items past security. It has happened in the past. The smugglers could place the prohibited item down the front of the pants of a female passenger. The TSA worker hits the male gender button on the scanner and the scanner won't alarm on the contraband because it is expecting something in that area.

Anonymous said...

Why have you eliminated bins at MSP for the PreChek lines? When wearing a jacket or coat that they won't allow one to keep on, they tell you to place it directly on the belt.

In fairness, you haven't eliminated them. If you beg, they'll get one. It takes them a minute or more to do that. In every instance, the bin, when it arrives, comes with LOTS of attitude.

When questioned they become defensive, explaining to me that I don't need one because . . .well pretty much because (usually they tell me all the other places that have eliminated them, as though that somehow means it is appropriate.)

So what's the issue? Well, as I've explained to the screeners any number of times, it requires one to put expensive clothing that requires dry cleaning on the often we, always dirty belt. I would prefer to not clean those belts with my clothing. (Screeners often tell me the belts are clean. Sure they are. The wheels of luggage that have just come through driveways and parking areas and then ride the belt couldn't possibly soil the belt. Nor could the bottom of people's shoes on the belt.

I presume it is being done because the screeners don't want to manage bins. That is an unacceptable reason.

RB said...

What's this about TSA screeners manipulating the Whole Body Strip Search Machines in order to fondle the genitals of male passengers at Denver?

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/04/13/cbs4-investigation-tsa-screeners-at-dia-manipulated-system-to-grope-mens-genitals/

"A CBS4 investigation has learned that two Transportation Security Administration screeners at Denver International Airport have been fired after they were discovered manipulating passenger screening systems to allow a male TSA employee to fondle the genital areas of attractive male passengers."

Surely TSA screeners are not permitted to grope travelers genitals?

Is that the resistance you TSA people have spoken of?

What are the guidelines for an invasive TSA screening? The public has a right to know what we are agreeing to before it happens.

RB said...

http://www.local10.com/news/hidden-cameras-show-airport-workers-stealing/32354860


"Since 2002, the agency has fired 513 officers for theft."

How many people that TSA has identified have been charged and tried as terrorists since 2002?

And how many individual travelers have there been since 2002?

Isn't it something close to 8 Billion travelers, the same as TSA's annual budget?

Anonymous said...

Here we go again.

As always, absolutely nothing you needed your slow, invasive, and ineffective naked body scanners to detect. Meanwhile, how many people suffered physical searches thanks to false alarms on these useless machines?

Why are Curtis Burns and West Cooper unwilling to address, let alone answer, that question?

How many weeks has it been since you last trumpeted something dangerous you found with the naked body scanners?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Ok Buddy, enough is enough.
1. The machines are not slow. They take 3 seconds to scan.
2. They are not invasive. They are not invading you at any point.
3. The machines are very effective; they use radio waves to detect objects under your clothing. If you have something there, the machine will find it.
4. IT IS NOT A NAKED BODY SCANNER!!!!!!! There is a genderless figure that anyone can see.
5. There are no false alarms. The machine finds something every time. It just most likely is something that is not prohibited. For instance the person did not take out EVERYTHING from his/her pockets.
6. Mr. Burns and Mr. Cooper have answered you questions, you just refuse to accept them.

Anonymous said...

Most importantly why did tsa allow a screener to continue sexually assaulting passengers for 3 months after it was initially reported?

Anonymous said...

Apparently you are unaware of the intentionally created false alarms created by selecting wrong gender the screen, allowing a male tsa agent to repeatedly sexually assault passengers over a period of several months. For three months tss knew the allegations and simply allowed the sexual assaults to continue until they got around to investigating. 3 months.

Anonymous said...

"Pre-TSA screening included WTMD’s, Hand Held Metal Detectors, bag searches, and limited pat downs. How was that treating you like a citizen?"

No one was taking naked pictures of me or groping my genitals, for starters.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 2:32, why do you keep repeating the lie that West Cooper, Curtis Burns, or anyone else from TSA has answered the legitimate questions about the naked body scanners that upset you so greatly?

We now know that screeners in Denver were conspiring to use the naked body scanners as a pretext to sexually assault innocent passengers. Why should I, or anyone else, trust an agency that has enabled such a grotesque breach of decency and trust?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Here we go again.

As always, absolutely nothing you needed your slow, invasive, and ineffective naked body scanners to detect. Meanwhile, how many people suffered physical searches thanks to false alarms on these useless machines?

Why are Curtis Burns and West Cooper unwilling to address, let alone answer, that question?

How many weeks has it been since you last trumpeted something dangerous you found with the naked body scanners?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Ok Buddy, enough is enough.

1. The machines are not slow. They take 3 seconds to scan.



2. They are not invasive. They are not invading you at any point.

The machine is viewing under a persons clothing, that is invasive.

3. The machines are very effective; they use radio waves to detect objects under your clothing. If you have something there, the machine will find it.

If the machine is finding things that are not WEI then it not effective and violates the Limited Administrative Search carve out.

4. IT IS NOT A NAKED BODY SCANNER!!!!!!! There is a genderless figure that anyone can see.

The machine is required to have the ability to store and transmit raw images. That makes it a Naked Body Scanner.

5. There are no false alarms. The machine finds something every time. It just most likely is something that is not prohibited. For instance the person did not take out EVERYTHING from his/her pockets.

You say it yourself, the Strip Search Machines are finding things that are not WEI thereby exceeding the limits of an Administrative Search.

6. Mr. Burns and Mr. Cooper have answered you questions, you just refuse to accept them.

They have never answered these questions

April 14, 2015 at 2:32 PM

Anonymous said...

Regarding the assault by TSA at Denver singling out men for unwarranted screening. Shouldn't the TSA be the most vocal on wanting charges against those involved? If you rely on the public's trust, I would think you would be able to use all the resources of the TSA to track down those that were victimized. It's the least that can be done, considering it took three months to look into such serious accusations.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said..

Ok Buddy, enough is enough.
1. The machines are not slow. They take 3 seconds to scan.


And How long to get people into and out of them, get them positioned, re-scan when needed, etc?? Simply mentioning the scan time is dishonest.

2. They are not invasive. They are not invading you at any point.

in·va·sive: "(especially of an action or sensation) tending to intrude on a person's thoughts or privacy."

They 'look' through your clothes. They certainly invades your privacy.

3. The machines are very effective; they use radio waves to detect objects under your clothing. If you have something there, the machine will find it.

Wrong. http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/the-navigator-tsa-body-scanners-apparent-flaw-raises-airport-security-concerns/2012/03/16/gIQA01C3TS_story.html
"He sewed a pocket to the side of a shirt, placed a metal carrying case that he says would “easily alarm any of the old metal detectors” inside it and walked through the two types of full-body scanners now in use, without incident. Corbett’s theory was that the case, hanging to the side of his body rather than in front of or behind it, would disappear into the black background of the scanned image, thus escaping detection."

4. IT IS NOT A NAKED BODY SCANNER!!!!!!! There is a genderless figure that anyone can see.

NOW there is a genderless figure. Up until recently (if they have actually finished converting all the units), it showed the actual naked scan. But, even now, the actual image itself is still there, just hidden.

5. There are no false alarms. The machine finds something every time. It just most likely is something that is not prohibited.

...that would be a false alarm then.

6. Mr. Burns and Mr. Cooper have answered you questions, you just refuse to accept them.

No, they have not.

Wintermute said...

TSAnonymous with attitude claimed...

"Ok Buddy, enough is enough."

If it offends you so, then don't read it.

"1. The machines are not slow. They take 3 seconds to scan."

Which is longer than WTMDs, so yes, slow, in comparison to other screening methods.

"2. They are not invasive. They are not invading you at any point."

They see through clothing. Sense when is a strip-search not considered invasive?

"3. The machines are very effective; they use radio waves to detect objects under your clothing. If you have something there, the machine will find it."

They have a huge blind spot. Google it.

"4. IT IS NOT A NAKED BODY SCANNER!!!!!!! There is a genderless figure that anyone can see."

The underlying image is still there. It's just that the machine uses SOFTWARE to process it and display the outline image. The RFPs requested the capability to store and transmit the underlying image.

"5. There are no false alarms. The machine finds something every time. It just most likely is something that is not prohibited. For instance the person did not take out EVERYTHING from his/her pockets."

It alarms on bare skin and folds in clothing. Regardless of whether we include anything else as a false positive, surely an alarm on bare skin would be considered one.

"6. Mr. Burns and Mr. Cooper have answered you questions, you just refuse to accept them."

No, they haven't. Unless you are claiming to be Mr. Burns and/or Mr. Cooper. Others have attempted to answer in the same manner as you have, but no one from the actual blog team has bothered to address them.

Susan Richart said...

Our Anonymous expert wrote:

"5. There are no false alarms. The machine finds something every time. It just most likely is something that is not prohibited. For instance the person did not take out EVERYTHING from his/her pockets."

What about the GAO report are you unable to understand?

"specific testing results depicting the AIT-ATR systems’false alarm rate;"

"Qualification testing also includes testing of the system’s false alarm rate."

"Second, TSA is not analyzing
AIT-ATR systems’false alarm rate..."

"Analyzing this information could provide insight into the number of false alarms that occur in the field, which may affect operational costs."

http://www.gao.gov/assets/670/662146.pdf

I ask again, what is it that you cannot or will not understand about the above report? Or is your allegiance to the TSA so pig-headed that you refuse to believe it does anything improperly?

screen shot/DHS OIG statement

Anonymous said...

Here's a question in response to the person coming to the defense of the TSA:
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4. IT IS NOT A NAKED BODY SCANNER!!!!!!! There is a genderless figure that anyone can see.
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Answer this then...if it is NOT a naked body scanner, then why is there a 'gender setting' on the machine that can be manipulated to create an 'anomaly' if a man is scanned with it being set to female mode? Seems like it can detect if someone has some gender differences and that's pretty detailed. What do you say to that?

SSSS for Some Reason said...

Anonymous said...
Here we go again.

Ok Buddy, enough is enough.
1. The machines are not slow. They take 3 seconds to scan.
2. They are not invasive. They are not invading you at any point.
3. The machines are very effective; they use radio waves to detect objects under your clothing. If you have something there, the machine will find it.
4. IT IS NOT A NAKED BODY SCANNER!!!!!!! There is a genderless figure that anyone can see.
5. There are no false alarms. The machine finds something every time. It just most likely is something that is not prohibited. For instance the person did not take out EVERYTHING from his/her pockets.
6. Mr. Burns and Mr. Cooper have answered you questions, you just refuse to accept them.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Here we go again....Ok Anonymous TSA person, enough is enough.

1 - The machines may only take three seconds, but to have to wait for the results and then scan again takes longer. Maybe you should go to an actual airport instead of your R&D lab or wherever you post from.

2 - If you as a person were to look under my clothes you would be arrested. That fact that a machine is doing the looking doesn't make it any less invasive. And let me save you the attempt at twisting words.... the scanners are not 'medically invasive' but the fact that I am asked to be digitally strip-searched just because I choose to fly instead of drive is incredibly invasive. Choosing to fly is not reasonable suspicion of a crime to warrant that level of inspection.

3 - Your own words prove your own argument wrong. The Machine uses radio waves to look UNDER YOUR CLOTHING. What is under the clothing? Your naked body. Thus.... naked scanner.

4 - Once again, your very own words destroy your own argument. Under the clothes, Naked Scanner, see number 3 above.

5 - There are no false alarms because you are so adamant about which words are used. If you want to be technically correct the machies generate Fasle Positives. You call them 'anomalies' that require additional screening.

6 - No, they haven't. They can't because of policy and won't because of SSI. If you think they have answered the question you could provide a link or your real contact information so we can attribute the answer to the correct source. Until that happens, the question is still open.

You are not obligated to read any of the comments here, unless your job really is with the TSA and in that case you will have to get over your aversion to comments from the people who pay your salary.

If yours was the true position with fact backing you up you wouldn't be trying to shut down your opposition. That would indicate yours is not a factual or correct position so you will have to deal with us continuing to disbelieve your contributions to this conversation.

SSSS for Some Reason said...

Anonymous said...
SSSS stated in a recent blog, "I don't understand how that person giving you $85 is somehow safer than me who didn't”

It’s a risk assessment. Why do banks run credit checks before lending money? It’s not the $85 that makes you safer,

+++++++++++++++

So if the $85 dollars doesn't make anyone safer why isn't the pre-check level of security screening the *standard* level of security screening?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...This is silly. Spend a little time in an american prison

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So you are now comparing US Airports to US Prisons?

You're not even trying anymore, are you?

Susan Richart said...

“These alleged acts are egregious and intolerable. TSA has removed two officers from the agency. All allegations of misconduct are thoroughly investigated by the agency. And when substantiated, employees are held accountable.”

That is what the TSA had to say about the gropings that took place in Denver.

http://tinyurl.com/n9728wt

Wrong, TSA. What is "egregious and intolerable" is that you knew about this for 3 months before you did anything about it and further, when one of your inspectors watched a man being groped illegally, he did NOTHING to get the name of the victim. The inspector needs to be fired also.


screen shot/DHS OIG statement

Anonymous said...

The machine is required to have the ability to store and transmit raw images. That makes it a Naked Body Scanner.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Boy, are you wrong on this count. The machines that TSA uses right now have NEVER transmitted or stored anything! They simply cannot do that.

And if we follow your logic on your statement, then by your definition, your cell phone is a Naked Body Scanner.

Susan Richart said...

So now we have a TSA inspector who watched while the two miscreants in Denver pulled their scam so the male could grope other males and yet this inspector did nothing to determine who the passenger was that he watched being sexually assaulted.
That inspector, (I'd use his name but then this comment would be censored) should be fired and charged.

It's good to note that 4 men who believe they were the victims of this atrocity have contacted authorities. Now, perhaps, criminal charges will be filed.

http://tinyurl.com/ob8gfkg

screen shot/DHS OIG statement

Anonymous said...

How are travelers supposed to know if they are being screened improperly, like in Denver, since they are not allowed to know the procedure?

Others in the past have come forward saying they felt abused, but TSA response is always that procedures were followed.

RB said...

Denver PD Report on TSA Sexual Assaults

TSA screeners at Denver cooked up a scheme to sexually assault attractive male passengers.

A TSA Investigator, named in the police report, witnessed one of these sexual assaults but did not stop the assault after seeing what was happening, did not obtain a statement from the person who was assaulted, and did not immediately intervene to remove the TSA screeners from the checkpoint.

What I want to know is why this so-called TSA Investigator hasn't been brought up on charges of aiding and abetting a crime, namely Sexual Assault?

Standing by while a crime is being committed and doing nothing makes the witness just as guilty as the actor.

I have said if before and it is still true today, the flying public has more to fear from TSA than terrorist.

Something is very wrong with TSA and it is time to end this failed experiment.




TSORon said...

Anonymous said...
[[The machine is viewing under a persons clothing, that is invasive.]]

Not accurate. The machine is bouncing microwave energy off of a person’s skin, when it cannot do that it indicates to the operator that there is something there that should not be.

[[If the machine is finding things that are not WEI then it not effective and violates the Limited Administrative Search carve out.]]

Not accurate. The machine provides an indication to the operator that something is in that area that is outside of its programing. Only PEOPLE can determine if its WEI or not, not a machine.

[[You say it yourself, the Strip Search Machines are finding things that are not WEI thereby exceeding the limits of an Administrative Search.]]

No, the other Anon did not say that. He said, as I have, that the machine detects something outside of its programing, and indicates that to the operator. It is the passengers job to follow directions and remove all items from their pockets.

[[They have never answered these questions]]

Not accurate. They have indeed answered the questions, but you and others just do not like the answers. This is not TSA’s problem, we cannot make you believe the answers provided no matter how accurate they are, you are going to believe what you wish to believe.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

The machine is required to have the ability to store and transmit raw images. That makes it a Naked Body Scanner.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Boy, are you wrong on this count. The machines that TSA uses right now have NEVER transmitted or stored anything! They simply cannot do that.


Incorrect.

The procurement requirements the TSA put out say otherwise. Have a look for yourself:

https://epic.org/open_gov/foia/TSA_Procurement_Specs.pdf

Some choice quotes:

"WBI shall allow exporting of image data in real-time"

"The WBI system shall provide capabilities for data transfers via USB devices. . ."

"The WBI System: (a) Shall possess an Ethernet network interface…"

"The WBI shall allow exporting of image data (raw and reconstructed."

"Enabling and disabling of image filtering shall be modifiable by users as defined in the User Access Levels and Capabilities appendix."

"The WBI System . . . (b)shall support full/half duplex data rates of 10/100 mega-bits per second to support future requirements. (c) Shall support Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)


Face it, this was proven LONG ago. The scanners CAN output images. And anyone who thought a little would realize this- up until a few years ago, the TSA itself an a sample image from a scanner up on their website! How'd they get that, if the machines "cannot" store or transmit images??

RB said...

To anan @ April 18, 2015 at 10:21 AM

The capabilities of the Whole Body Imagers are both published and well known to anyone who cares to learn.

Is it surprising that our esteemed TSA Blog Team hasn't stepped up to set the record straight?

It really isn't much different than how TSA at Denver has tried to hide the truth from the public.

At TSA the truth must be avoided at all cost.

Anonymous said...

TSORon said...

Anonymous said...
[[The machine is viewing under a persons clothing, that is invasive.]]

Not accurate. The machine is bouncing microwave energy off of a person’s skin,


... which is under their clothes. Thus you have shown the statement "The machine is viewing under a persons clothing" is perfectly true. (Except for the anthropomorphism. Machines don't "see", per se.)

Anonymous said...

Answer this then...if it is NOT a naked body scanner, then why is there a 'gender setting' on the machine that can be manipulated to create an 'anomaly' if a man is scanned with it being set to female mode? Seems like it can detect if someone has some gender differences and that's pretty detailed. What do you say to that?

men and women have different body parts. The machines are "genderless" but they are pre programmed to look for different anomolies based on which button is pushed. Think about it, it will come to you

Anonymous said...

The capabilities of the Whole Body Imagers are both published and well known to anyone who cares to learn.

care to post a link? and please, make sure it is current. Not the 2008 machines that no longer exsist.

Anonymous said...

Posted:
Anonymous said...
Why have you eliminated bins at MSP for the PreChek lines? When wearing a jacket or coat that they won't allow one to keep on, they tell you to place it directly on the belt.

In fairness, you haven't eliminated them. If you beg, they'll get one. It takes them a minute or more to do that. In every instance, the bin, when it arrives, comes with LOTS of attitude.

When questioned they become defensive, explaining to me that I don't need one because . . .well pretty much because (usually they tell me all the other places that have eliminated them, as though that somehow means it is appropriate.)

So what's the issue? Well, as I've explained to the screeners any number of times, it requires one to put expensive clothing that requires dry cleaning on the often we, always dirty belt. I would prefer to not clean those belts with my clothing. (Screeners often tell me the belts are clean. Sure they are. The wheels of luggage that have just come through driveways and parking areas and then ride the belt couldn't possibly soil the belt. Nor could the bottom of people's shoes on the belt.

I presume it is being done because the screeners don't want to manage bins. That is an unacceptable reason.

April 14, 2015 at 12:09 PM
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Nothing to do with not wanting to manage bins. Spreading out your items which could just as easily be dropped into your bag, into a bin, means one more item (a bin full of stuff)per person that the xray needs to screen. This increases the time it takes to get belongings, hence passengers, through the checkpoint. If you drop all your pocket items into your bags and place your coat ON TOP of your bag (so it's not directly on the belt) you don't even need a bin for your coat. Thus eliminating another bin. When multiplied by hundreds or even thousands of passengers at a checkpoint, the operation is sped up considerablly.
Think about it. A bag with a coat on top as opposed to a bag, one bin full of paocket items and another with a coat and shoes in it. By eliminating the bins you've now eliminated 2/3 of the footprint of items that go through xray.
And as far as using a bin as opposed to the "dirty" belt? Have you not seen all the filthy (and wet, depending on weather) shoes that go into those bins? Cleaner than the belt? I doubt it.

RB said...

Anonymous said...
The capabilities of the Whole Body Imagers are both published and well known to anyone who cares to learn.

care to post a link? and please, make sure it is current. Not the 2008 machines that no longer exsist.

April 20, 2015 at 11:03 AM
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The Whole Body Imagers in place now are the same exact MMW machines as used in 2008 with one significant change, the removal of the Remote Viewing Room and the addition of the Automated Target Recognition software upgrade and associated hardware.

The core specifications remain including the ability to network, store, and transmit images.

If you think I am wrong then prove it. Show something factual that everyone can look at and form an opinion.

Anonymous said...

The Whole Body Imagers in place now are the same exact MMW machines as used in 2008 with one significant change, the removal of the Remote Viewing Room and the addition of the Automated Target Recognition software upgrade and associated hardware.

The core specifications remain including the ability to network, store, and transmit images.

If you think I am wrong then prove it. Show something factual that everyone can look at and form an opinion.

absolutly wrong. Back scatter machines have been removed from every US airport because they could not support ATR software.The AIT machines in use today have replaced the backscatter. Show somethoing factual? go to the airport and look at them. They are completly diffeerent machines in every way. Dp some research befor eyou panic. Educate yourself. The current machines use millimeter waves not Xray. You need to get past this

Susan Richart said...

"care to post a link? and please, make sure it is current. Not the 2008 machines that no longer exsist."

If you're so certain that any new machines don't take images and can't store or transmit said images, then it is incumbent upon YOU to provide us with a link to the procurement specs for these "new" machines in order to prove your claim.

You can't do it; therefore you are just blowing smoke and making yourself look "rediculous."

screen shot/DHS OIG statement

RB said...

RB said............

The Whole Body Imagers in place now are the same exact MMW machines as used in 2008 with one significant change, the removal of the Remote Viewing Room and the addition of the Automated Target Recognition software upgrade and associated hardware.

The core specifications remain including the ability to network, store, and transmit images.

If you think I am wrong then prove it. Show something factual that everyone can look at and form an opinion.
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Anonymous Anonymous said...

absolutly wrong. Back scatter machines have been removed from every US airport because they could not support ATR software.The AIT machines in use today have replaced the backscatter. Show somethoing factual? go to the airport and look at them. They are completly diffeerent machines in every way. Dp some research befor eyou panic. Educate yourself. The current machines use millimeter waves not Xray. You need to get past this

April 22, 2015 at 11:37 AM
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What part of this statement is confusing you?

same exact MMW machines as used in 2008 with one significant change,

There are two types of Whole Body Imagers. Backscatter and MMW. I agree that Backscatter was removed but only because the ATR conversions are reported to have not been possible.

That leaves the MMW Whole Body Imagers. These units are the same exact machines that have been in use all along but have been modified with ATR conversions.

Now you have been invited to supply some factual data but all you keep posting is the same thing over an over.

If you think I am wrong then show something other than your opinion.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The Whole Body Imagers in place now are the same exact MMW machines as used in 2008

The current machines use millimeter waves not Xray.

And I believe, from the use of "mmw," tha's what was being discussed was the millimeter wave machines. No one is disputing that the backscatter machines are gone. but the mmw machines were being deployed even while backscatter was still in use, and THEY produced the same images at the time, until the software layer was mandated. Do some research yourself. If you think you're right, provide some links instead of saying "you're wrong" without anything to back your opinion up.