Wednesday, October 15, 2014

TSA Halloween Travel Tips




Replica grenades used as part of a Halloween costume
discovered in a checked bag at Nome (OME).
With October comes fall foliage, pumpkin flavoring in EVERYTHING, and Halloween!

If you plan on traveling with your costume this year, keep in mind that realistic replica items and props such as guns, scythes, pitch forks, chainsaws, butcher knives, grenades, axes, bombs, swords, machetes, and other realistic weapons are prohibited from being transported in your carry-on bags.

Most replica weapons can be transported in your checked baggage, but it’s never OK to pack anything that looks like (to include but not limited to) explosives such as grenades, land mines, rocket launchers, shells and bombs. Even if it’s a replica, anything resembling an explosive is treated as the real deal until the explosives experts can prove otherwise, which often leads to delayed flights or baggage.

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54 comments:

Anonymous said...

Nothing about masks and make-up so significant you can't be IDd?

Tobi said...

Okay, no weapons or fake weapons, easy. But what if I want to dress up a little bit to make my flight more enjoyable. I'm thinking the traditional ghools and monsters variety. Will horns or vampire teeth (the kind that attach to your canines) set off the body scanners as a foreign object? Can I wear a mask as long as I take it off for screening? What about makeup and facepaint? Or do I have to be boring and leave it all in my bag until after I go through security? Or would masks even be allowed in the secure area?

Anonymous said...

are you saying that the "replica grenades" in the picture are "realistic"?? jeez, people, get a grip and train your guys. those are obviously toys ... pathetic.

Anonymous said...

I continue to wait for some justification for active duty military being included in pre-check, but not retired military or holders of current DoD or LE background investigations. military retirees have at least 20 years documented service to this Nation, pretty much proving their lack of risk. both DoD and LE background investigations should reveal any risk factors. active duty military do not, necessarily, have a background check or any significant length of service. neither citizenship nor a background investigation is required to enlist in the military, in fact there are likely illegal immigrants serving. if it is really about safety, then why are potentially unscreened non-citizens allowed through? sounds like it is just pandering to an admirable group to get PR, not adjusting the rules to ease screening on those who present a lower likelihood of threat.
Let me be clear: pre-911 screening should be the norm. it is all that is required, now that cockpit doors have been reinforced and locked, and flight crews and passengers know that the rules have changed and passivity=death. however, if we are going to continue this massive waste of tax dollars on security theatre, at least have _some_ of the rules make sense.

Anonymous said...

some additional tips for TSA to make our Halloween travel and security experience as convenient as possible:

1) eliminate TSA and return to pre-911 screening. the TSA makes things no more secure, and arguably less secure, since the last red team results made available to the public indicate that TSA is allowing 70% of prohibited items through, as opposed to 60% or lower in testing of the old systems. in addition, the 911 attacks focused on 2 gaps in security: unsecured cockpit doors, and the training of flight crews and passengers to be compliant. both of those are now corrected - no one is going to take over an airliner with a penknife.

2) full and total transparency of all DHS and TSA regulations, rules, procedures, and watch/no-fly lists, as well as public comment periods for new rules, and an independent appeal process for those placed on no fly or terrorist watch lists (as ordered by the federal courts).

3) eliminate the Pre-Bribe, er, Pre-Check program. it is a waste of taxpayer dollars as well as flat out insulting to be required to pay to have a background check done in order to be screened in a semi-sane way, when I hold a security clearance and a concealed wepaons permit, both of which require a more thorough background check than TSA is likely to do.

4) eliminate ID requirements. it is unConstitutional (freedom to travel domestically is not guaranteed only if the govt can ID you), and it contributes nothing to security. what does it matter if you know my name, if I am carrying a bomb? why is my name any damn business of yours if I am not carrying a bomb or
intending some kind of threat?

Anonymous said...

Why is it the same three people ( or one person posting three times)keep posting the same nonsense week after week after week? The answers to your questions are simple if you really look at what you are asking.

Replica greande? Does the little old lady with a vision problem know it is a fake? Will she panic if she sees it on a plane?

Go back to 9/11 screening? Ya, that worked out really well didnt it?

2 gaps in security? You really think the bad guys have given up because those two things got addressed?

If you have legit questions, aske them. TSA does not use and has not used "naked body scanners in years, get past it.

TSA's job is not, was not, and never will be to "catch" terrorist. Their job is to prevent threat items form getting on planes. Had they stopped the 9/11 terrorists and taken their knives, nobody would have known about it. With the amount of guns and knives TSA has kept off of planes since 9/11, they may have stopped several terrorist attacks. There is just absolutly no way of knowing. The only question that can be asked and answered with 100% certainty is how many terrorist attackes have happend on an American based flight since TSA? The answer is ZERO. Not one! Is TSA working? without question, if nothing else, they have been detourant for terrorists.
What if CBP, ICE and CDC had the same success rate as TSA...

Anonymous said...

Where in the constitution does it address freedom to travel on a demestic flight without providing ID?

Anonymous said...

It just breaks my heart that you have to be inconvenienced for a couple of minutes. Everyday this world gets more and more violent. I fly quite often and have no problem with these minor security checks. I am ex-military and hold a concealed carry permit for many years.

If you don't like the minor inconvenience of security checks, Your answer is simple, Walk, Drive or use other public transportation. Don't fly, I for one won't miss you.

RB said...

 Anonymous said...Where in the constitution does it address freedom to travel on a demestic flight without providing ID?October 16, 2014 at 10:32 AM
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Another person who does not understand the Constitution.

In simple terms the Constitution places limits on the federal government. All others things are left to the states or the people.

Rights are not given by the government and the right to travel has been upheld by the USSC. There is an absolute right to travel and the means of travel is of no concern of government.

People who believe that government can take away a right without due process are a danger to the continued freedom of all citizens of the United States.

RB said...

TSA employees are already wearing their halloween costumes, Fake Cop Uniforms.

Sandra said...

How do we know that the anonymous person who posted at 10:30 a.m. and again at 10:32 a.m. is a screener?

Because he/she can't spell and can't think logically.

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Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
Where in the constitution does it address freedom to travel on a demestic flight without providing ID?

October 16, 2014 at 10:32 AM"

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After 12 years don't you think that courts would have struck this down by now if it was unconstitutional?

But feel free to keep asking.

Anonymous said...

Coward. You have to be anonymous

RB said...

Are TSA employees gifted with Pre Check?

RB said...

Anonymous said...
Where in the constitution does it address freedom to travel on a demestic flight without providing ID?
October 16, 2014 at 10:32 AM
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Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people

RB said...

The TSA "Can I Bring" tool returns item not found when inputing Nitroglycerin medicine.

Is it reaaly that hard forTSA to do even simple tasks?

Anonymous said...

will the blog go away with pistole leaving?

Anonymous said...

"TSA's job is not, was not, and never will be to "catch" terrorist. Their job is to prevent threat items form getting on planes."
You state that TSA has nothing do to with the terrorist.
"The only question that can be asked and answered with 100% certainty is how many terrorist attackes have happend on an American based flight since TSA? The answer is ZERO. Not one! Is TSA working? without question, if nothing else, they have been detourant for terrorists."
Why are you measuring how effective TSA is by the amount of terrorism? Didn't you just say TSA should be preventing threat items? The last announced rate for capturing threat items was 30%! 7 of every 10 items TSA prevents got passed screening.
"What if CBP, ICE and CDC had the same success rate as TSA..."
I think we would be in serious troubble with a 30% success rate among these agencies.

Despite my comments, I am not against TSA. I am against how they operate and how well they operate. Things need to be improved and more oversight allowed to another agency. Does everything need to be 100% transparent to the public. NO. There are going to be necessary reasons to keep some of the methods secret to the public to prevent people from finding ways to defeat the measures put in place. But someone needs to know what they are doing and why. It doesn't need to be a government agency it could be a public one that keeps the TSA in check and monitoring the performance.

SSSS for Some Reason said...

Anonymous said...Go back to 9/11 screening? Ya, that worked out really well didn't it?

...2 gaps in security? You really think the bad guys have given up because those two things got addressed?

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You do understand that what happened on September 11 had nothing to do with problems in security or screening, don't you?

And by the TSA's own numbers as much as seven in ten prohibited items make it through the security screening so I actually do kinda think the bad guys have given up trying to take over an airplane while in flight.

Hardened cockpit doors and a plane full of passengers who will not comply with a terrorists are far more effective than TSA could ever hope to be in securing commercial aviation from the bad guys.


Anonymous said... Had they stopped the 9/11 terrorists and taken their knives, nobody would have known about it. With the amount of guns and knives TSA has kept off of planes since 9/11, they may have stopped several terrorist attacks.
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May have.

But 9 billion a year for something that can't be proven to be effective doesn't seem like the best use of our time and money.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Where in the constitution does it address freedom to travel on a demestic flight without providing ID?

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Spelling errors aside, the right to travel is not in the constituion so your attempt at verbal jiu jitsu has failed.

The presumed right to travel, however, *is* firmly established in U.S. law and precedent. In U.S. v Guest, 383 U.S. 745 (1966), the Court noted, "It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized." In fact, in Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969), Justice Stewart noted in a concurring opinion that "it is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association, ... it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all."

It is my right to travel and it is my right to do so without the Government intervening without probable cause. Simply wanting to fly is not probable cause.

Falcon-One said...

Anonymous said...
Why is it the same three people ( or one person posting three times)keep posting the same nonsense week after week after week? The answers to your questions are simple if you really look at what you are asking.

Replica greande? Does the little old lady with a vision problem know it is a fake? Will she panic if she sees it on a plane?

Go back to 9/11 screening? Ya, that worked out really well didnt it?

2 gaps in security? You really think the bad guys have given up because those two things got addressed?

If you have legit questions, aske them. TSA does not use and has not used "naked body scanners in years, get past it.

TSA's job is not, was not, and never will be to "catch" terrorist. Their job is to prevent threat items form getting on planes. Had they stopped the 9/11 terrorists and taken their knives, nobody would have known about it. With the amount of guns and knives TSA has kept off of planes since 9/11, they may have stopped several terrorist attacks. There is just absolutly no way of knowing. The only question that can be asked and answered with 100% certainty is how many terrorist attackes have happend on an American based flight since TSA? The answer is ZERO. Not one! Is TSA working? without question, if nothing else, they have been detourant for terrorists.
What if CBP, ICE and CDC had the same success rate as TSA...
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Well said!

Anonymous said...

IDs have absolutely nothing to do with airline security. You can tell because screeners are cutting back on the name game, "Who are you! Say your name! Where are you going! Schnell!"

In fact, one of the blotter team's bosses, Ross, says to contact him directly if a screener demands you to say your name at a screening area.

@SkyWayManAz said...

Anonymous said...
"Where in the constitution does it address freedom to travel on a demestic flight without providing ID?"

The right of a citizen to travel without restriction has been consistently upheld by the courts as part of the privileges and immunities in the Constitution. There is no requirement listed in these rulings that force or require citizens to have photo identification. That's why TSA has policies allowing you to fly without one. I'm quite certain for those of us over the age of 18 they don't make it a pleasant experience if circumstances require you to use that option. In a few cases screeners have dug in their heels, ignored official policy and denied passengers from travelling on that basis alone. TSA usually blames the passenger for these problems in the non-apology apology they issue afterward. The woman left mute from a stroke and denied her freedom to travel recently was basically told she should have called TSA ahead of time and let them know she was incapable of using speech.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
It just breaks my heart that you have to be inconvenienced for a couple of minutes. Everyday this world gets more and more violent. I fly quite often and have no problem with these minor security checks. I am ex-military and hold a concealed carry permit for many years.

If you don't like the minor inconvenience of security checks, Your answer is simple, Walk, Drive or use other public transportation. Don't fly, I for one won't miss you.

October 16, 2014 at 12:48 PM
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the point is not the "minor inconvenience" (try putting the time wasted in dollars as man-hours, and see how minor it is). the point is that huge amounts of time and money are wasted on a process that is evidently _not_ risk-based, and does _nothing_ to make us safer. attack vectors other than the passengers are numerous and underserved, and TSA's own red teams show a 70% miss rate on the passengers. we're doing it wrong, and pretending to get it right. that's the problem here, not the "inconvenience".

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Why is it the same three people ( or one person posting three times)keep posting the same nonsense week after week after week?

October 16, 2014 at 10:30 AM
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when TSA answers the questions with something other than "because" and demonstrates some transparency in their policy process, there will be no need to post them. until then, only speaking for the one I post regularly, it will continue. and every week it is posted without a coherent response from TSA is a response of a sort - a response that shows that TSA does not respect or care about the traveler, but just wishes to impose their will on them.

Anonymous said...

Another person who does not understand the Constitution.

In simple terms the Constitution places limits on the federal government. All others things are left to the states or the people.

Rights are not given by the government and the right to travel has been upheld by the USSC. There is an absolute right to travel and the means of travel is of no concern of government.

People who believe that government can take away a right without due process are a danger to the continued freedom of all citizens of the United States.


So in otherwords, freedom to travel without provididing identification is not addressed.
Thanks

Anonymous said...

"TSA's job is not, was not, and never will be to "catch" terrorist. Their job is to prevent threat items form getting on planes."

You state that TSA has nothing do to with the terrorist.

No, I never said that. Re-read what I said...

Anonymous said...

You do understand that what happened on September 11 had nothing to do with problems in security or screening, don't you?

Really? Did you see the video of the screeing failures?

Hardened cockpit doors and a plane full of passengers who will not comply with a terrorists are far more effective than TSA could ever hope to be in securing commercial aviation from the bad guys.

How would we know that? Has anyone attempted to take over a plane nby going through the hardened door? Yet another assumption on your part...

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...Hardened cockpit doors and a plane full of passengers who will not comply with a terrorists are far more effective than TSA could ever hope to be in securing commercial aviation from the bad guys.

How would we know that? Has anyone attempted to take over a plane nby going through the hardened door? Yet another assumption on your part...

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The lack of it happening can not be attributed to the TSA. Look up the "tiger preventing rock" to understand fully.

No Final Order After Public Comment said...

"TSA's job is not, was not, and never will be to "catch" terrorist.

Their job is to prevent threat items form getting on planes. Had they stopped the 9/11 terrorists and taken their knives, nobody would have known about it. With the amount of guns and knives TSA has kept off of planes since 9/11, they may have stopped several terrorist attacks. There is just absolutly no way of knowing. The only question that can be asked and answered with 100% certainty is how many terrorist attackes have happend on an American based flight since TSA? The answer is ZERO. Not one! Is TSA working? without question, if nothing else, they have been detourant for terrorists.
What if CBP, ICE and CDC had the same success rate as TSA...


October 16, 2014 at 10:30 AM"

So TSA's claim to be an anti-terrorism agency and to be on the front lines of the war on terror can be discounted as just a lot of hot air.

Good to know.

If TSA employees are still missing 70% of Red Team test object then TSA is not working. TSA's continuing harassment of travelers adds nothing to ensuring that dangerous items are kept off of airplanes.

Rude, belligerent, and dishonest TSA employees frame how the public perceives other TSA screeners.

Clean up your own TSA house before trying to defend a failed agency.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Another person who does not understand the Constitution.

In simple terms the Constitution places limits on the federal government. All others things are left to the states or the people.

Rights are not given by the government and the right to travel has been upheld by the USSC. There is an absolute right to travel and the means of travel is of no concern of government.

People who believe that government can take away a right without due process are a danger to the continued freedom of all citizens of the United States.


So in otherwords, freedom to travel without provididing identification is not addressed.
Thanks

October 20, 2014 at 9:12 AM


It is not addressed meaning that any need to show ID is left to the states or the people to regulate, not federal government.

The courts have already ruled that having to show an ID to fly is not required.



Susan Richart said...

"Really? Did you see the video of the screeing failures?"

Please post a link to this alleged video of the "screeing" failure.

Anonymous said...

"Why is it the same three people ( or one person posting three times)keep posting the same nonsense week after week after week?"

The pot calling the kettle black...

Anonymous said...

From http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title49/html/USCODE-2011-title49-subtitleVII-partA-subparti-chap401-sec40103.htm:

"(2) A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace."

There you go. Flying is a right. So sayeth the US Code of laws.

GSOLTSO said...

Tobi sez "Will horns or vampire teeth (the kind that attach to your canines) set off the body scanners as a foreign object?"

The vamp teeth will most likely not cause a stir unless you use them to bite someone in the checkpoint area, pronounced horns, masks and other accoutrements that extend past the normal outline of the body form are most likely going to require some additional screening to make certain they are not actually weapons or such - so you may wish to add some additional time to allow for it.

Anon sez - "are you saying that the "replica grenades" in the picture are "realistic"?? jeez, people, get a grip and train your guys. those are obviously toys ... pathetic."

Of course, no passenger would ever panic (thus creating a safety issue at 35k feet) upon not being able to determine whether something was a real grenade or not at first glance.

Replica items such as these)are kept off of the planes because they can generate a safety issue - by generating panic over the perception that a threat item is on the plane and "oh my goodness we are all gonna die, we are all gonna die!" which is sometimes followed by the normal rash of action that is generated among some people realizing "they WILL die if they do not do something to stop it..." regardless of whether the item is a replica or the real thing.

RB sez - "TSA employees are already wearing their halloween costumes, Fake Cop Uniforms."

Rimshot... That one is so old the last time I heard it I fell off of my dinosaur.

Anon sez - "Coward. You have to be anonymous"

Using the Anonymous handle here is neither an indication of cowardice or bravery, it is simply something many choose to do.

Anon sez - "will the blog go away with pistole leaving?"

I can not say one way or the other, but we have been here since the Kip Hawley days, and the Blog is a useful tool for the organization - so I personally doubt it.

Anon sez - "The lack of it happening can not be attributed to the TSA. Look up the "tiger preventing rock" to understand fully."

The same theory would also posit that it can not be conclusively proven that the work being done by TSA has NOT prevented terrorist activities or attacks.

West
TSA Blog Team

Mike Toreno said...

Clerk West:

"The same theory would also posit that it can not be conclusively proven that the work being done by TSA has NOT prevented terrorist activities or attacks."

It can be conclusively proven that the TSA has not prevented terrorist attacks by noting that the TSA misses twice as many guns as they detect (when no effort is made to conceal the guns). It can also be proven by just generally observing the quality of the TSA workforce.

Rather than planting comments and presenting spurious arguments, why not tell us what happens to TSA clerks who abuse passengers? What happened to the clerks who held Stacey Armato captive? Were they fired? Has any TSA clerk ever been fired for any reason other than stealing an ipad from a television network?

Anonymous said...

We get it, West. You think everyone on a plane will react like a TSA screener and scream in panic "We're gonna die!" if they see a toy gun or toy grenade. Your screeners have seized 2" toy guns and 2" USB sticks shaped like a gun and little toy wooden guns and light sabers and perfume bottles all for that same false "reason."

Stop trying to spread fear and stop assuming we are as stupid and brainwashed as your employees.

Also, stop the sarcasm. You're sounding like Bob.

GSOLTSO said...

Anon sez - "We get it, West. You think everyone on a plane will react like a TSA screener and scream in panic "We're gonna die!" if they see a toy gun or toy grenade. Your screeners have seized 2" toy guns and 2" USB sticks shaped like a gun and little toy wooden guns and light sabers and perfume bottles all for that same false "reason."

Stop trying to spread fear and stop assuming we are as stupid and brainwashed as your employees.

Also, stop the sarcasm. You're sounding like Bob."

TSOs normally don't scream when they find something that is a possible threat item or something that could be confused with a threat item - they start notifications and call a bag check.

Passengers and the public at large are a different situation completely. Most have had no formal instruction, training or hands on classes to recognize and handle dangerous items. They see enough of them on TV to recognize some of the items (hand grenades, firearms, Acme bombs, and so on), but they have no concept of how they function, or what actually causes that item to be dangerous. Most people with no experience see something that closely resembles a hand grenade and (in a situation like an airplane, train, bus or other tightly constricted areas) the natural inclination to leave is not possible in many cases. This can spur a more panicky response to items that are completely harmless. I was merely making an observation based upon human nature. I am not attempting to spread fear, I am simply pointing out how some people react.
I am definitely not brainwashed, otherwise my opinions would be much more popular with my managers...

As for sounding like Bob, I will take that as a compliment. He has done some pretty astounding things in his life.

West
TSA Blog Team

SSSS for Some Reason said...

GSOLTSO said...I am simply pointing out how some people react. {to things that look like toy grenades}

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SOME people.

As in a couple. Maybe even a few.

Here is the actual problem with your comment and the underlying biases that it reveals:

Because someone might see a toy grenade, or toy gun, and "freak out" because they can't follow their natural instinct to run away we have to prohibit those things from being anywhere near. This is called, generally speaking, as the tyranny of the minority.

Because that person over there might see a toy grenade and, not being aware enough of their surroundings or the item in question to see that it is, in fact, a toy, the rest of us have to surrender our toys to prevent anything from upsetting that person over there.

You are encouraging that person over there to 'freak out' anytime they see something they don't like because you have built a situation where they have become the one in charge, they are rewarded by freaking out at the sight of anything they don't like. Because they can't, or won't bother trying to, tell the difference between an obvious toy or an actual incendiary explosive device we have to make everyone else change their behaviors and actions so as to not upset that person over there. Because -they- might 'freak out' -I- have to do something different.

You have, in effect, put the children in charge of the school.

Just as you do with the pre-check system you are building and enforcing a two-class system. The people who are adult enough to understand the risks inherent in flying who also understand that toy grenades are, in fact, toys. And a second class who might 'freak out' at the sight of a toy and who will be the ones for which we set the standards of what must and mustn't be done so as to not offend them.

To be clear, because some people are going to miss my point, a few of them on purpose, I am not advocating the carrying of actual hand grenades on aircraft. I am pointing out that what is very obviously a toy is being prohibited because someone else might not be smart enough to see that it is a toy. Lowest common denominator and all that....

PS - I appreciate that we can have at least a little back and forth of an adult nature here in the comment section. While it may be impersonal by design, it is still appreciated when some effort it put forth even with the constraints you are under by virtue of who you work for.

RB said...

TSA talks about realistic replica weapons as being prohibited. What int the TSA world defines a "Realistic Weapon"?

Would a Disney Pirates of the Caribbean toy gun and sword qualify as a realistic weapon?

TSA Plunders Boy's Disney Toys

But his mom says that when she and Jeremiah tried to go through security at Ft. Lauderdale-Hollywood Airport earlier this week, the toys were taken away.

"It's very upsetting because at one point I had told one of the employees, 'You know this is not a real weapon,' and he said 'Yes, I understand that, it doesn't matter,'" said mom Maria Edge.

Edge said she became even angrier when she claims that not long after the TSA officers had confiscated the items, she saw the officers playing with the toy sword and gun.


The problem when TSA confiscates harmelss toys is the simple fact that doing so is a clear overreach of TSA's mandate. And even more problematic is that this was not an isolated incident.

It appears to me that TSA employees lack any ability to think and have only been given one tool for their toolbox, a hammer.

And when the only tool you have is a hammer then everything else become a nail.

TSA is a failed agency with incompetent leadership and even less competent front line employees.

Anonymous said...

"...Really? Did you see the video of the screeing failures?..."

Are you referring to the box-cutters that were allowed at the time?

"...Has anyone attempted to take over a plane nby going through the hardened door?..."

Aren't going to touch the 'passenger compliance' part of what you were quoting, are you? I wouldn't either. I mean, it was the passengers who stopped Richard Reid and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

Anonymous said...

I noticed you didn't address the fact that your screener coworkers confiscate items that no one in the public would view as "scary" our panic - inducing, while insisting that it would be viewed as a threat by the public: including a 2" toy gun, 2" USB drive shakes like a pistol, wooden toy pistols, and bottles of perfume.

Also, you wee careful to say you, West, weren't "brainwashed," but did not include your co-workers. That speaks volumes to the public and to your co-workers.

You may know more about Bob's non-TSA life, but the public persona he chose to create through this blotter, the publicly available presentations & interviews he's done, and the useless Twitter & Instagram accounts he's wasted so many tax- paid hours on, are not in any way positively "astounding."

You know I meant that your tone was sounding unprofessional, sarcastic, and tone deaf to the American public.

And I never "sez." I "said."

Anonymous said...

Some of you need to take a reality check in regards to replica items, what looks like and what are like the real thing and what are simply toys...no I am not a TSA Agent, but I certainly thank them for making the sky's a lot more safer these days..
What goes through the x-ray machine is interpreted much the same depending on the contents it is made of also, irrespective if it is a toy or not, if it gives the impression of the real item when passing through, procedures are in place that must be adhered to and further investigation is mandatory.
So you see, for all those making negative comments, especially regarding items that a blatantly toy's, try understand how things are interpreted in a x-ray machine before firing off your mouth....

Anonymous said...

GSOLTSO said...

Anon sez - "The lack of it happening can not be attributed to the TSA. Look up the "tiger preventing rock" to understand fully."

The same theory would also posit that it can not be conclusively proven that the work being done by TSA has NOT prevented terrorist activities or attacks.

West
TSA Blog Team

October 21, 2014 at 10:50 AM
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yes, but in government, we are generally required to show that our programs and policies are effective in order to continue to receive budget allocations out of scarce tax dollars. if TSA cannot quantify their effectiveness, as you just admitted you can't, how is it that you are still receiving money from the taxpayers? I'd like my money back.

Cassandra said...

I have an idea, guys. How about using some common sense? If your costume makes you unidentifiable it may cause delay for you and others. If you pack toy weapons in your carry on they are not easy to identify on an x-ray machine as a toy so again there will be delays for you and others.

Use common sense and shove them into your checked luggage and wait to play dress up till you get where you're going so as not to needlessly distress other passengers.

Anonymous said...

I have an idea, guys. How about using some common sense? If your costume makes you unidentifiable it may cause delay for you and others. If you pack toy weapons in your carry on they are not easy to identify on an x-ray machine as a toy so again there will be delays for you and others.

Use common sense and shove them into your checked luggage and wait to play dress up till you get where you're going so as not to needlessly distress other passengers.

tem said...

Where in the constitution does it address freedom to travel on a demestic flight without providing ID?

Anonymous said...

But when the screeners take an actual look at the "scary item" they saw on the xray and discover it is a toy or glass perfume bottle, they should not confiscate it with the ridiculous cry of, "This is a scary item that will induce public panic!!!"

Stop stealing our private property, TSA. And I too want my tax money back!

Anonymous said...

tem said...
Where in the constitution does it address freedom to travel on a demestic flight without providing ID?

That right is not codified in the Constitution or Bill of Rights. It is still no less a right. The right to travel is firmly established in U.S. law and precedent. In U.S. v Guest, 383 U.S. 745 (1966), the Court noted, "It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized." In fact, in Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969), Justice Stewart noted in a concurring opinion that "it is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association, ... it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all." It is interesting to note that the Articles of Confederation had an explicit right to travel; it is now thought that the right is so fundamental that the Framers may have thought it unnecessary to include it in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said... so as not to needlessly distress other passengers."

Your desire that I do something different so as to not distress you really distresses me. You need to stop doing that.

RB said...

 tem said...Where in the constitution does it address freedom to travel on a demestic flight without providing ID?October 27, 2014 at 5:59 PM
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And another volunteer demonstrating a complete abscence of knowledge of the United States Constitution.

Wintermute said...

tem said...
"Where in the constitution does it address freedom to travel on a demestic flight without providing ID?"

This has already been addressed on here, several times.

Anonymous said...

RB said...
TSA talks about realistic replica weapons as being prohibited. What int the TSA world defines a "Realistic Weapon"?

i am curious as to if replicas were allowed pre-9/11 or if this is a new tsa only policy. also, if tsa was to change this policy would the flight attendants and pilots allow for it to go throug. as you may recall the tsa tried to allow small knives to be brought back on planes, however numerous organizations, including the fligth attendants untions stopped it from going through. its funny how all of the blame is placed on the tsa for everything when there are many other hands in the jar that have a say in things.

Anonymous said...

SSSS for Some Reason said...
GSOLTSO said...I am simply pointing out how some people react. {to things that look like toy grenades}

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SOME people.

As in a couple. Maybe even a few.

Here is the actual problem with your comment and the underlying biases that it reveals:

Because someone might see a toy grenade, or toy gun, and "freak out" because they can't follow their natural instinct to run away we have to prohibit those things from being anywhere near. This is called, generally speaking, as the tyranny of the minority.

Because that person over there might see a toy grenade and, not being aware enough of their surroundings or the item in question to see that it is, in fact, a toy, the rest of us have to surrender our toys to prevent anything from upsetting that person over there.

You are encouraging that person over there to 'freak out' anytime they see something they don't like because you have built a situation where they have become the one in charge, they are rewarded by freaking out at the sight of anything they don't like. Because they can't, or won't bother trying to, tell the difference between an obvious toy or an actual incendiary explosive device we have to make everyone else change their behaviors and actions so as to not upset that person over there. Because -they- might 'freak out' -I- have to do something different.

You have, in effect, put the children in charge of the school.

Just as you do with the pre-check system you are building and enforcing a two-class system. The people who are adult enough to understand the risks inherent in flying who also understand that toy grenades are, in fact, toys. And a second class who might 'freak out' at the sight of a toy and who will be the ones for which we set the standards of what must and mustn't be done so as to not offend them.

To be clear, because some people are going to miss my point, a few of them on purpose, I am not advocating the carrying of actual hand grenades on aircraft. I am pointing out that what is very obviously a toy is being prohibited because someone else might not be smart enough to see that it is a toy. Lowest common denominator and all that....

PS - I appreciate that we can have at least a little back and forth of an adult nature here in the comment section. While it may be impersonal by design, it is still appreciated when some effort it put forth even with the constraints you are under by virtue of who you work for.

i am curious if some of these people that you are reffing to are the pilots and flight attendants that would have to deal with a passenger that would try to use such a replica? unlike most passengers their jobs are to be on a plane 40+ hrs. a week and they have to deal with all sorts of unusual situations. these professionals have a say in what can go on a plane as well. take for example the proposal from tsa to allow small knives on board a plane(like pre 9/11) this was stopped by the flight attendants union along with numerous organizations.
a couple of years ago i was on a flight that was diverted due to a drunk passenger claiming that he would blow up the plane if he did not get another drink. well most people would realize that he was not making a real threat but "some people" as you say (the flight crew) took his comments as real and we were diverted immediately. its fun to play monday morning quarterback from the keyboard but look at the big picture and realize that the tsa isnt the only one that has its ideas about how things should be run.