Friday, October 7, 2011

Week In Review: Loaded Guns and a Good Samaritan

Stun Gun
I just wanted to put up a quick little post highlighting a few things that have happened over the past week that we haven't blogged or tweeted about. Until now that is...

Every day, TSA officers work at more than 450 airports nationwide to keep you safe when you fly. So far this week, our officers have discovered 10 loaded firearms in carry-on bags at security checkpoints across the nation. In addition to these loaded weapons that we've kept off of airplanes, there were also unloaded firearms, loose ammunition, and firearm parts detected that aren't mentioned in this post. And of course, a host of other prohibited items such as hazmat, knives, etc. that we kept off of planes.

Here is a quick run-down of weapons detected and kept off planes this week:
The most popular explanation we get when we find a gun is "I forgot it was in my bag." Once a firearm is discovered, TSA takes a step back and law enforcement takes over. Depending on local laws, you could be fined or even arrested. As a gun owner myself, I’ve been around guns as long as I can remember and I think it's crucial to know where your firearm is at all times. So… check those bags before you leave home. TSA encourages all passengers traveling with weapons to take the proper precautions when traveling with a firearm. Unless you're one of the few who are able to fly with a firearm in the cabin of the aircraft, your firearm (s) must be declared to the airline and checked in your luggage. You can go here for more details. 

In the news... Our officers made a shocking discovery at Dulles when they detected a stun gun in a passenger's carry-on bag. JFK officers discovered brass knuckles, stun guns, and a sword in a passenger's bag. And last but not least, one of our officers at SYR played the role of a Good Samaritan when she went above and beyond to help a passenger get her cell phone back. 

a 6" meat cleaver was found concealed inside the lining of a passenger's carry-on bag at SLC. The passenger stated she didn't put it there. And as an added bonus, a 6" meat cleaver was found concealed inside the lining of a passenger's carry-on bag at SLC. The passenger stated she didn't put it there. 



See you next week! 
TSA Blog Team 

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51 comments:

Anonymous said...

MY GAWD BOB! Thanks for keeping us safe from all those terrorists! The TSA and Dept. of Homeland Security people are my hero's! We need to put up TSA detection facilities in every city. If this is what you catch at airports, imagine what you will catch on our streets. Keep our streets safe Janet Napolitano! And those blue uniforms, they make me swoon!

Curtis said...

Uh, Bob? How many of those people were actually terrorists?

Curtis said...

How many of those people did you say were actual ter-er-er-ists?

Anonymous said...

This is my first blog to read after signing up for TSA updates. I just returned from Ireland and I appreciate any and all security measures taken. Every single TSA employee I encountered in San Diego, JFK and Shannon were professional, properly friendly, efficient and calm. I'm am amazed that someone would get on a plane with a loaded gun and not be aware of it. Before all this happened it was still not legal to fly with a loaded weapon. The meat cleaver takes the cake! In Ireland they wanted to see the "stones" we had in our carry on. We had collected them during a hike. He explained that he needed to be sure that none of them were large enough or sharp enough to be used as a weapon. He was such a clean-faced and friendly Irishman that everyone was smiling all the way around when the gorgeous stones were taken out and displayed and approved. Please keep up the good work and Thanks for all the dedicated service.

Anonymous said...

Is this a joke? If the passengers had been armed on 9-11 the attacks would have been stopped. You are the terrorists.

Saul said...

"In Ireland they wanted to see the "stones" we had in our carry on. We had collected them during a hike. He explained that he needed to be sure that none of them were large enough or sharp enough to be used as a weapon."

I guess the Irish security procedures are as non-sensical as the TSA's. Did you tell them how a drinking glass could be shattered to make a razor-sharp edge? Or a long camera lens could be turned into a nice weapon? Or how a shoelace could strangle someone? Or how someone's fist could be a weapon?

Getting back to this post: the same guns would have been caught with 1980's screening technology: metal detectors and baggage x-rays. So I'm not impressed. Yes, these passengers should have known better than to try to bring a loaded firearm through the checkpoint. But did any of them wake up with the thought of, "I am going to consciously bring this gun onto the plane and use it to hijack the aircraft and attack my fellow passengers and crew"? Or were they all cases of (admittedly foolish) forgetfulness? If the former, I applaud the TSA for doing its job. If the latter, great, you did your job, but no need to make a show of it.

Anonymous said...

Hahahaha... Blarney, I bet.

Hello? Anyone in there Bob?

Nadav said...

To all terrorist seekers - you won't be able to board with a gun anywhere in the world. Not in Europe, not in South America, not in Asia, and not in Africa.

It doesn't matter why they had guns in their bags. There is an international law regarding this, and the TSA is not different than any other security organization in any other airport or country.

The TSA may do some useless things and spend much more money than necessary (expedited screening, computers that verify boarding passes), but compliance with international flight laws is not one of them.

Nadav

Ms.B said...

Curtis said...
How many of those people did you say were actual ter-er-er-ists?

October 7, 2011 8:32 PM
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I think what most of you blog readers fail to realize is that TSA is not in the airport to catch terrorist. TSA is there to prevent prohibited and dangerous items from boarding the aircrafts. So whether or not these individuals with the loaded weapons were terrorist, TSA did their part. Take it for what it is and get over it.

Anonymous said...

OK, well, last time I flew with a firearm and declared it to the airline rep, she called down the length of the counter to the TSA person, this guy's got a gun.
Thanks for letting everyone know!

Fred Klein said...

SO, you stopped 10 guns from getting onto airplanes.

That means, considering your 70% MISS rate of weapons (please feel free to correct that with cites of newer data!), that ~23 weapons made it aboard planes in that same time period.

And still nothing happened. No planes were hijacked. No terrorist attacks. Nothing.

TSA- violating your rights to protect you from stuff that doesn't happen.

Harry Harper said...

I can only imagine how tough the "protection vs. potential aggression" line is to manage for TSA. I have no problem whatsoever with security measures in place. It is sad and unfortunate that the world we live in continues to change down this path.
Keep up the good work guys. As difficult as it is I am sure, please don't get complacent.

Anonymous said...

I was going to say what Fred Klein did. Reporting these statistics really only underscores the idea that we should stop this expensive and time consuming exercise of looking for things and focus on the human element.

Anonymous said...

I do not accept "I forgot" as a valid 'reason' from my teenaged children for anything!
And I absolutely do not feel it should be a valid excuse given by an allegedly responsible gun owner. I think these guns should be taken by the police, charges pressed and HEAVY fines levied. (Same with all the weapons noted in this post)
I suspect that a truely responsible gun owner would agree with me because he or she would KNOW WHERE THEIR GUN IS AT ALL TIMES! Those who dissagree with these sentiments are the the ones who keep 'forgetting' the gun is in the carry on bag and deserve to have their license taken away!
Thank you TSA for keeping us safe from ignorant as well as terrorists!

Saul said...

Harry Harper said...
"I have no problem whatsoever with security measures in place. It is sad and unfortunate that the world we live in continues to change down this path."

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Harry, why do you assume that the world today is more dangerous than it was ten years ago? Twenty years ago? Thirty years ago? Guess what? Terrorism existed before 9/11/01. Guess what? Airplane bombings existed twenty years ago.

So why can't we revert airport security to the way it was fifteen years ago? Walk through the metal detector, put your bags through the x-ray, and that's it. No showing ID. No removing shoes. No restrictions on liquids. That works for decades. So what's the justification for everything that's gone on for the past decade?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"I do not accept "I forgot" as a valid 'reason' from my teenaged children for anything!
And I absolutely do not feel it should be a valid excuse given by an allegedly responsible gun owner. I think these guns should be taken by the police, charges pressed and HEAVY fines levied. (Same with all the weapons noted in this post)"

I'm in the "I forgot" group. I normally have a small pocket knife on my key chain. One time I forgot to remove it when I went to the airport and it ended up in the garbage. When it's something that you have all the time, forgetting can happen.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
OK, well, last time I flew with a firearm and declared it to the airline rep, she called down the length of the counter to the TSA person, this guy's got a gun.
Thanks for letting everyone know!

October 8, 2011 8:08 AM

So its TSA's fault, right? Sounds like your problem lies with the airlines. Thanks for venting though!

Anonymous said...

So why can't we revert airport security to the way it was fifteen years ago? Walk through the metal detector, put your bags through the x-ray, and that's it. No showing ID. No removing shoes. No restrictions on liquids. That works for decades. So what's the justification for everything that's gone on for the past decade?

October 8, 2011 4:21 PM

Take a wild guess Saul. You think maybe its because America was attacked by way of "airplane bombings?" Do you think it didnt cost a single dime to clean up the messes of 9/11? Yes, because the old way of screening was better, right?

Oh, and to Curtis, good job on the double post. both were NOT very comical. And be real, Bob is not going to rush to answer your rediculous question.

Anonymous said...

So what?

James Anzalone said...

This is the first time reading the blog and I am happy to say: Good Job" I always wanted o know what the proper procedure was to carry my weapon on a aircraft, and now I know. Thanks again Hunter

Anonymous said...

Saul said...
Harry Harper said...
"I have no problem whatsoever with security measures in place. It is sad and unfortunate that the world we live in continues to change down this path."

-----

Harry, why do you assume that the world today is more dangerous than it was ten years ago? Twenty years ago? Thirty years ago? Guess what? Terrorism existed before 9/11/01. Guess what? Airplane bombings existed twenty years ago.

So why can't we revert airport security to the way it was fifteen years ago? Walk through the metal detector, put your bags through the x-ray, and that's it. No showing ID. No removing shoes. No restrictions on liquids. That works for decades. So what's the justification for everything that's gone on for the past decade?

October 8, 2011 4:21 PM

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Uh, a little thing called 9/11.

Anonymous said...

Ms. B wrote: TSA is there to prevent prohibited and dangerous items from boarding the aircrafts.

Then why is the TSA going through receipts and checkbooks and looking for potentially kidnapped children when those activities are completely outside their scope? The TSA brags about finding knives and the like when they do find them, but if they miss it, they claim it's not a threat anyway. Even if they missed a gun, they don't bother investigating it.

If the TSA really is just there to prevent "prohibited" and/or "dangerous" items from getting on an aircraft, their personnel really need to stop with the extracurricular activities and focus on their mission - because they're failing on a regular basis.

Adrian said...

Congratulations on finding the guns.

I assume that most of these were found by the carry-on x-ray machines or perhaps by the metal detectors.

How many were found because people had to take off their shoes or surrender their water bottles or go through a whole-body scanner or have their ID checked at the checkpoint or risk giving their personal information to an airline so that it could be checked against a watchlist?

How many of these guns would have been found using pre-TSA security procedures that were far less invasive? How does the pre-TSA airport security budget compare to the current budget? How many liberties have we had to concede to get the same level of protect that we had before?

RB said...

I submitted a comment to this thread that was apparently not allowed although the comment fully complied with the illegal posting standards.

I would like to know how DHS,TSA, the TSA Blog, and TSA employees are not subject to the provisions of First Amendment of the United States Constitution as defined by the United States Supreme Court prohibiting censorship by the government and its employees.

Censorship by TSA and its employees is clearly a violation.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"Uh, a little thing called 9/11."

Uh, pre 9/11 screening methods were able to detect the knives used by the 9/1 hijackers. The policy at the time was to allow them.

It wasn't a screening failure. Try again.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous wrote:

Take a wild guess Saul. You think maybe its because America was attacked by way of "airplane bombings?" Do you think it didnt cost a single dime to clean up the messes of 9/11? Yes, because the old way of screening was better, right?
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Hey Anonymous,
Since you're playing the 9/11 card, could you please enlighten us on just how airport security (the "old way of screening") failed in any way on that day? The boxcutters that the hijackers brought were LEGAL and ALLOWED at the time. They didn't "sneak" anything through. All of them had valid ID's. And in some cases they even were subject to some secondary screenings. So to recap, they followed all the rules, and only had allowed items.

So now basically we've ramped up a whole mess of procedures that were irrelevant to what happened that day. If the flight crews didn't cooperate with the hijackers and we had locked cockpit doors at the time, that would have prevented 9/11. Airport security had NOTHING to do with it!

Saul said...

Response for all you commenters who use 9/11/01 as the justification for anything the TSA does:

9/11/01 was not a failure of airport screening. Get that through your mind. The events of those days did not happen because of lax screening. They happened because the hijackers turned the idea of hijacking 180° and caught everyone off-guard. Do you think for a moment that if the passengers knew that the hijackers planned to commandeer the planes and crash them into the Twin Towers and Pentagon, that there would not have been a fight to the death aboard those planes to keep the hijackers away from the cockpit?

Cockpits are hardened. Passengers know to not put up with any shenanigans of fellow passengers. A 9/11/01-style attack will not happen again.

Question again for all of you: Suppose a guy gets drunk at a bar and crashes his car in a horrific wreck, killing 20 people. Is your response to close every bar and liquor store in the state? Because that's the response the TSA would enact.

Saul said...

Bravo, Adrian. Good to see that not everyone in this country, a decade later, is blinded by 9/11/01. As horrific as that day was, it's high time to stop abusing the memory of the victims in using that day to justify every and any egregious action of the TSA.

RB said...

Seems to me that the newly reported TSA employee arrested and charged for child porn trumps the TSA Good Samaritan.

Winston said...

Blogger Bob, here's another atta girl story for you:

Md. TSA Agent Charged With Child Porn

BALTIMORE -- A Transportation Security Administration security officer is out on bail after he was arrested and charged with child pornography.
Michael Scott Wilson, 41, has been suspended from his job following the arrest.
Wilson was charged Monday with possession and distribution of child pornography after agents searched his Perry Hall home.
Neighbors said he's married with no children. They said they're stunned and disturbed by the charges, especially since most of them described Wilson as a straight-laced federal worker who took pride in his position and the trust that comes with it.
"As a parent, it's disturbing to find out that someone is living so close, especially employed in his capacity," said neighbor Malik Kelly.
"I travel sometimes twice a week, so to think that one of those screeners could live in your neighborhood and face charges like this is alarming. Definitely alarming," said neighbor Brian Ryerson.

Graham said...

Great job done Bob, thanks a lot for the efforts and hardship that militants have taken to keep the civilians safe......
Thanks for the post too.....

NateTheGreat said...

Wow! That's incredible! Great job TSA! I am super excited to start my new career as a TSO! :-D

RB said...

http://www.local10.com/news/29456656/detail.html


Police: TSA Employee Brings Gun To Airport

POSTED: Tuesday, October 11, 2011

MIAMI -- A Transportation Safety Administration employee was taken into custody Tuesday after he unlawfully tried to bring a handgun into the secured area of Miami International Airport, police said.

Anonymous said...

"Uh, a little thing called 9/11."

Oh no. You played the 9/11 card! That answers everything. No further explanation needed. That means you win! Well played!

Anonymous said...

Bob,

Is this guy gonna get re-training? Maybe a warning letter?

http://www.local10.com/news/29456656/detail.html

Short version: TSA guy brings gun to work.

Trosky said...

You and your girls missed on Blogger Bob....

Police: TSA Employee Brings Gun To Airport

MIAMI -- A Transportation Safety Administration employee was taken into custody Tuesday after he unlawfully tried to bring a handgun into the secured area of Miami International Airport, police said.
Just before noon, Eduardo Valdes, 29, a screener for TSA was reporting for duty on the sterile side of the airport. He was passing through an employee security checkpoint when another screener noticed a handgun in his bag. That is when Miami-Dade police were contacted.
According to a police report, Valdes admitted he knew it was illegal to bring a firearm into the airport and that he just "forgot." He also said the gun was not registered and he did not have a concealed weapons permit.
Valdes was taken to the Miami-Dade County Jail.

RB said...

Apparently you didn't see the stories concerning two TSA employees, one arrested on Child Porn charges and another trying to carry a firearm into the sterile area of the Miami airport.

Aren't these two more important to TSA Security than the nonesense you mentioned Bob?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Take a wild guess Saul. You think maybe its because America was attacked by way of "airplane bombings?"

So if someone bombs a building we need to put a security checkpoint at the door to every building? Are you willing to be patted down every time you shop for groceries?

Over reacting to bad event can cause additional damage rather than helping.

Anonymous said...

Congratulations on catching another gun carried by a TSA screener at the Miami airport. It's good to see the TSA screeners are screened for weapons too. I am more concerned about the screener caught with the child porn though. I really don't like that someone like that could be screening children or seeing them naked with the scanners.

Somebody above mentioned preventing another 9/11. That attack will never work again. First of all, the attackers had valid travel documents and box cutters weren't prohibited at that time. More importantly, hardened cockpit doors and a change in passenger attitudes will prevent that attack. If 4 or 5 guys tried to take over a plane with box cutters today, I predict they will beat severely beaten by every other passenger.

TSORon said...

An Anonymous poster said…
[[Uh, pre 9/11 screening methods were able to detect the knives used by the 9/1 hijackers. The policy at the time was to allow them.

It wasn't a screening failure. Try again.]]

Sorry Anon, but you are wrong. Please see the 9/11 Commission Report, there were several screening failures, and knives were not allowed even then. Box cutters yes, knives, no.

Another Anonymous poster repeated…
[[Hey Anonymous,
Since you're playing the 9/11 card, could you please enlighten us on just how airport security (the "old way of screening") failed in any way on that day? The boxcutters that the hijackers brought were LEGAL and ALLOWED at the time.]]

Very few of the terrorists on 9/11 used box cutters, most used knives, which were not allowed past security according to FAA directives at the time. Please see the 9/11 Commission Report for the facts.

Saul said…
[[9/11/01 was not a failure of airport screening. Get that through your mind.]]

Again, your wrong Saul. The 9/11 Commission Report contradicts you, they actually had the facts to go on whereas I do not believe that you do. You can find that report at the link here (http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/index.htm) and you can even choose your flavor, HTML or PDF.

RB said…
[[Seems to me that the newly reported TSA employee arrested and charged for child porn trumps the TSA Good Samaritan.]]

I prefer the one about the TSO who brought a gun to the checkpoint in his bag, and said he knew it was not allowed. Yeah, he went to jail too. Glad he was not at my airport, I don’t like working with idiots.

Another Anonymous poster said…
[[Congratulations on catching another gun carried by a TSA screener at the Miami airport. It's good to see the TSA screeners are screened for weapons too. I am more concerned about the screener caught with the child porn though. I really don't like that someone like that could be screening children or seeing them naked with the scanners.

Somebody above mentioned preventing another 9/11. That attack will never work again. First of all, the attackers had valid travel documents and box cutters weren't prohibited at that time. More importantly, hardened cockpit doors and a change in passenger attitudes will prevent that attack. If 4 or 5 guys tried to take over a plane with box cutters today, I predict they will beat severely beaten by every other passenger.]]

Thanks Anon, we try. But I, like you, am also worried about the “child porn” guy. That’s the kind of employee TSA can do without. Sadly there is no way to screen for them in the pre-employment process. “Foolish and Stupid” or “Pedofile” is not a type of ID that any agency I know of issues. Fortunately both he and the one who brought his gun into the checkpoint in Miami were caught and arrested. And I’m willing to speculate that TSA had a part to play in the arrest of both of them, and that most likely neither will ever wear the uniform again.

Anonymous said...

An anonymous poster said…
[[Is this a joke? If the passengers had been armed on 9-11 the attacks would have been stopped. You are the terrorists.]]

Oh yeah, just what we need, 50 people opening up on 4 guys with box cutters inside of an aircraft in flight. Yeah, that might have saved some lives alright.

Anonymous said...

ahhh good it looks like the tsa person learned from the public, he even got the same excuse; "i fogot it was in my bag" see tsaa people can learn from the public!
o boy a tsa person with pornograpghy, good thing that this never happens with real govt employees.......

Anonymous said...

rb said:
"Seems to me that the newly reported TSA employee arrested and charged for child porn trumps the TSA Good Samaritan."

good job rb! i didnt realize that we have a cancel out policy for tsa. so are bloggers the same way? if a blogger comes out and bashes the tsa does that mean that they cancel out someone that supports the tsa? i didnt realize that a good deed doesnt matter in your eyes.

Anonymous said...

Nadav said:
"There is an international law regarding this, and the TSA is not different than any other security organization in any other airport or country."

Really, Nadav? Care to cite which international law this is? Was it part of a treaty approved by the Senate? If it wasn't, it's not a law in the US!

Anonymous said...

Ms B said:
"I think what most of you blog readers fail to realize is that TSA is not in the airport to catch terrorist. TSA is there to prevent prohibited and dangerous items from boarding the aircrafts."

So the TSA mission is to prevent prohibited items from making it aboard aircraft? Is that so none of those inanimate objects will hijack any "aircrafts?"

"So whether or not these individuals with the loaded weapons were terrorist, TSA did their part. Take it for what it is and get over it."

No, thanks. I'll not get over an obviously anti-constitutional agency. The entire point is that those people were NOT terrorists. When the TSA (in the privatized version this is coming) start looking for criminals, we'll be much better off.

Anonymous said...

So if someone bombs a building we need to put a security checkpoint at the door to every building? Are you willing to be patted down every time you shop for groceries?

Over reacting to bad event can cause additional damage rather than helping.

October 12, 2011 6:02 PM

So we just turn a blind eye and tell ourselves that it wont happen again? Ya keep dreaming. Its funny that you people still dont realize that they terrorists,boogeymen) dont want to break into the cockpit anymore. the underwear bomber wasnt trying to fly the plane.... he was trying to blow it up. thank goodness for hardened cockpit doors though!

RB said...

Anonymous said...
rb said:
"Seems to me that the newly reported TSA employee arrested and charged for child porn trumps the TSA Good Samaritan."

good job rb! i didnt realize that we have a cancel out policy for tsa. so are bloggers the same way? if a blogger comes out and bashes the tsa does that mean that they cancel out someone that supports the tsa? i didnt realize that a good deed doesnt matter in your eyes.

October 13, 2011 8:02 PM
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As long as TSA refuses to address the illegal acts by TSA employees I feel it is important to help point out the continuing problem of criminal TSA employees.

This TSA employee arrested on child porn charges is especially concerning seeing as how TSA policies require TSA employees to feel the genitals of people who have done nothing other than buy an airplane ticket to travel.

Of course since TSA has hired known felons expecting TSA to do anything about TSA criminals is only a pipe dream.

We can add the TSA employee arrested for taking bribes, the TSA employee who brought a weapon to work and the list just goes on and on and on...........

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"So we just turn a blind eye and tell ourselves that it wont happen again? Ya keep dreaming. Its funny that you people still dont realize that they terrorists,boogeymen) dont want to break into the cockpit anymore. the underwear bomber wasnt trying to fly the plane.... he was trying to blow it up. thank goodness for hardened cockpit doors though!"

It's funny you people don't realize that someone that just want to set off a bomb and kill people doesn't have to get on an airplane. For example, the airport security checkpoint is a great place to find lots of people packed into a small area.

Dedicated_Dad said...

"TSORon" said "...Sorry Anon, but you are wrong. Please see the 9/11 Commission Report, there were several screening failures, and knives were not allowed even then. Box cutters yes, knives, no..."

Hey Ron: B-S~!

Taurus Fimus!

On 9/10/01 I flew out of Dulles, to Chicago. As always, I had my pocket knife, my multi-tool with a knife blade, and another small knife on my key-ring.

One of my coworkers carried - as always - one of the biggest folding knives I've ever seen - well over 6" long, folded.

As always, these items went in the little basket and were passed around the metal-detector.

Coworker's knife always got some attention - usually some "crocodile-dundee" jokes - but that was about it.

Knives most certainly **WERE** allowed pre-9/11!!

Today? Not so much.

Rather than risk being the root cause of more idiotic restrictions, I'll refrain from detailing the half-dozen deadly - yet 100% legal - weapons which I STILL carry in plain sight on every flight I'm FORCED to take.

TSORon said...

Dedicated_Dad said...
[["TSORon" said "...Sorry Anon, but you are wrong. Please see the 9/11 Commission Report, there were several screening failures, and knives were not allowed even then. Box cutters yes, knives, no..."

Hey Ron: B-S~!

Taurus Fimus!

On 9/10/01 I flew out of Dulles, to Chicago. As always, I had my pocket knife, my multi-tool with a knife blade, and another small knife on my key-ring.

One of my coworkers carried - as always - one of the biggest folding knives I've ever seen - well over 6" long, folded.

As always, these items went in the little basket and were passed around the metal-detector.]]

Yo DD, try reading the 9/11 Commission Report. It clearly states that knives under 4 inches were allowed, but nothing larger. These were FAA regulations, not TSA regulations. TSA has made that restriction complete, no passenger may carry any knife (butter knives excepted) onto a commercial aircraft. Here is the link to the report. (http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch3.htm)

Chapter 3.3, paragraph 8. While you are there, take the time to read the entire report. I found it interesting.

[[Coworker's knife always got some attention - usually some "crocodile-dundee" jokes - but that was about it.]]

Hence the failure in screening. They didn’t enforce the rules any better with your friends than they did with the hijackers on 9/11.

[[Knives most certainly **WERE** allowed pre-9/11!!

Today? Not so much.]]

Read the report. It makes it much more enjoyable when everyone involved in the conversation knows the facts.

Anonymous said...

TSORon said:
"Yo DD, try reading the 9/11 Commission Report. It clearly states that knives under 4 inches were allowed, but nothing larger. These were FAA regulations, not TSA regulations. TSA has made that restriction complete, no passenger may carry any knife (butter knives excepted) onto a commercial aircraft. Here is the link to the report. (http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch3.htm)

Chapter 3.3, paragraph 8. While you are there, take the time to read the entire report. I found it interesting.

[[Coworker's knife always got some attention - usually some "crocodile-dundee" jokes - but that was about it.]]

Hence the failure in screening. They didn’t enforce the rules any better with your friends than they did with the hijackers on 9/11."

I'm sorry, Ron, but as someone with considerable familiarity with the 9/11 investigation, your description of events is simply wrong. I'm not sure what you mean but "they" but I hope you are not referring to those who screened the 9/11 hijackers. There is no credible evidence that the hijackers took anything through the checkpoints that was not allowed at the time.

Somewhat inexplicably, the hijackers took some pains to attempt to conceal boxcutters and small knives but there's nothing
regarding a screening failure on the part of the screeners. Significant attention is paid to the poor job done by those implementing CAPPS. One of the screeners is accused of "marginally" wanding a hijacker. There is unconfirmed reports that MACE might have been involved in the hijackings but there's no evidence it was brought aboard by the hijackers or, in fact, that it was actually present.

"Read the report. It makes it much more enjoyable when everyone involved in the conversation knows the facts."

I agree and I'm very familiar To have a meaningful dialog, you have to read it too.