Wednesday, April 13, 2011

Screening of 6 Year-Old at MSY

 ***Update 4-13-2011 7:07 PM*** Welcome Drudge readers and anyone else who’s new to the TSA Blog. Seeing that many of you have never been here before, I wanted to provide links to a couple of posts we've written on pat-downs. They will give you a better idea of why pat-downs are used and when.
Also, please note that we’re receiving many more comments than usual thanks to the Drudge link, so please bear with us as this is a moderated blog.  Thanks!  ***
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A video taken of one of our officers patting down a six year-old has attracted quite a bit of attention. Some folks are asking if the proper procedures were followed. Yes. TSA has reviewed the incident and the security officer in the video followed the current standard operating procedures.

With that said,  you may have read recently that our Administrator is looking into ways to move past the cookie cutter approach to screening. Recognizing that terrorists are willing to manipulate societal norms to evade detection, TSA has been actively assessing less invasive screening methods for low-risk populations, such as younger passengers, while still maintaining a high level of security.

Also, you may have heard in the video that someone references a drug test.TSA does not test for drugs. It's possible those individuals are referring to the explosive trace detection test that can detect the smallest traces of explosives.

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Anonymous said...

Newspeak and social engineering. Welcome to Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Anonymous said...

Exactly where on that tiny body could there have been enough material for a bomb. Just one look at her and you can see there's nothing but little arms and legs in those clothes. There was NO NEED to touch her.

Anonymous said...

Someone robs your house. You decide to make it 'safer' by boarding up all of the windows to keep out the burglars (and the sunlight, and the view of the beautiful stars and flowers, and the summer breeze, and the view of your children playing in the yard.)

TSA logic is a real kick in my sense of reason.

Anonymous said...

The TSA patdowns and body scanners overlook an obvious and serious flaw in their ability to detect innovative terrorists who could easy evade both types of searches. It's the "unthinkable" body cavity search.

If you believe a terrorist would not swallow a small explosive device or stick a bomb up their anus or vagina you better think again because unless you check every passenger's body cavity your enhanced security procedure isn't worth shiite.

It's all about "security theater" and not about making anyone that much safer, if at all. You are not safe from the "innovative" terrorist and the random searches that will overlook the cunning terrorist. We need TOTAL security to be safe.

"If you want total security, go to prison". -Eisenhower

Anonymous said...

More lies from the TSA! Good by 1st Amendment! RIP USA!

Anonymous said...

"Recognizing that terrorists are willing to manipulate societal norms to evade detection..."

That's just another way of saying everyone is guilty until proven innocent. Shameful.

Army_4_Christ_2Corin10;5 said...

The child's parents submitted her to a full body scan. Why then was she "patted down"?

Anonymous said...

You disgust me.

MJC said...

Let's see if I can address many things stated here:
1) I do vote, have since the age of 18, which I turned while serving on active duty in the Navy.
2) I have lived and worked overseas, and those who would say those in "candy land" need to get a dose of "reality". Please, really!? I've flown through every major European airport, and many throughout the Pacific, and in all those travels, I've never witnessed a six year old treated this way.
3) Those who would cheer the TSA on over such actions, obviously you don't have daughters, and I certainly hope you never do! For their sake! I do, I have two, and never would I allow this! PERIOD!
4) Nothing justifies the treatment of a six year old girl this way! NOTHING!
5) If any other person, including the child’s parents, touched a six year old this way, they would be jailed. Try and tell me I'm wrong!
Mike

Anonymous said...

ter·ror·ism=
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

If anyone is involved in "terroristic" activities, it is the TSA and our government.

Why is it that "profiling suspicious people" is wrong, but it's ok to force everyone to take the "under arrest" position just because we want to fly? Why are we guilty until proven innocent, when an actual criminal, caught in the act with witnesses is innocent until proven guilty.

The intent of the "original terrorists" (identify them as you will) is to reduce personal freedoms.
So guess what, the terrorists have won.

Call your Senators and Reps in Washington and at home and tell them (repeatedly) how you feel and what is acceptable.

Anonymous said...

We travel frequently, with children. When I have inquired about the screening process for minors, I have been told that it is a less invasive screening for minors. We always opt out of the body scanner so we are always subjected to the patdowns. I never have my children had to endure such a patdown. I often video the patdown for my own and the agents own protection. The TSA has tried to block my view but in the end I tape anyway. In MIA during December, we were joked with about using tasers for those who opt out. I called for the manager who assured me that something would be done. He pulled a sheet of paper out of the printer and took all of my information. I was never contacted about this incident and believe he probably trashed the sheet of paper when I left.

Anonymous said...

The genesis of TSA was the three planes that flew into World Trade Towers and the Pentagon. Airlines now have corrected this with secured doors to the cockpits. Everything beyond that has been senseless.

TSA has killed the airline industry, not 911. I fly only if there is not another option (no matter what the distance is), not because of fear of terrorists but due to harassment by the TSA.

Anonymous said...

On the other hand ... if I were a terrorist I wouldn't try to enter an airport security area dressed in a keffiyeh and robes. It would be fairly easy to convince a child to carry something in there for me. What are you going to do?

Anonymous said...

Ahhhhh Yeah Right!!!!

Anonymous said...

I can't see how Americans are allowing there kids to be subjected to this ridiculous practice. My kids are not getting on a plane unless this crap stops. Israel has told you this is stupid and to profile. So far I have yet to see a white 6 yr old blow up anything anywhere. Are kids of all colors getting the pat down? so far all I've seen are white families in the news being subjected to these pat downs.

Anonymous said...

TYRANNY!

Anonymous said...

You do realize that the TSA is not reading these posts? Note the lack of response from Bob, the purported blog owner. It's horrific what happened here, but posting comments that are not read is a waste of time. Find another way to take action. Vote. Join an organization of your choice that protects our rights. Do it.

Oh, and next time you go through, have your own video camera at the ready, so your traveling companions can capture other egregious examples.

Finally, I feel sorry for the screener. She was just doing what she was told to do, as kindly as she could. I bet she needs that job. Cut her a break, it's the system, not necessarily the cogs in it.

Stinkfist said...

Dear TSA Bob:

When the regime falls, where are you going to hide?

Galatians 6:7

Anonymous said...

I recently flew on a Delta flight from Johannesburg back to the USA. My daughter, who is not even 3 years old yet, was subjected to this invasive pat down without any warning whatsoever from the agent. I actually thought that the agent was "playing" with my child as while I was unpacking our bags she was lunging for my child (it almost looked like they were playing hide and seek!). My daughter was literally running away from the agent and when I realized that she was to be subjected to a pat down I was horrified. My daughter was crying and in tears because this "scary" person was trying to catch her. Children that age definitely cannot understand what they are being subjected to, nor can they understand the rationale behind it. I am not an alarmist and will happily subject myself to any sort of screening the TSA deems necessary but there is definitely a line that needs to be drawn when it comes to children. Children just process things very differently and this pat down is very traumatic for them.

Sad Observer said...

The 2012 election is coming and perhaps some relief from the TSA, which has obviously "jumped the shark" in its headlong rush to accrue more power before anyone can stop it. I hope the TSA's empire-building days are numbered.

Meohfumado said...

Ah the TSA...the proverbial rock that keeps tigers away.

How many terrorists have you actually caught using these methods? None? Even one?

No, of course not. Because it a "look, we're doing something," sideshow. Security theater.

Even if you have caught a single "bad-guy" the amount is not statistically significant to justify violating the rights of all Americans.

Anonymous said...

how about instead of feeling up childern you do something that works. You know what realy works but every one is afriad? Profiling.
It is that simple. As a former law enforcment officer I know it works. No one wants to say it but if it quacks like a duck it probably is a duck.
My family and I have decided not to fly until the TSA is removed.My daughter and step daughter 13 and 15 respectivley for the last couple of years of flown between hear and the Mid west for visitation. That will no longer be the case. I will make the drive so they dont have to go through wha tthat little girl had to.

Anonymous said...

"Some folks are asking if the proper procedures were followed." Seriously? I think folks are concerned that this is appropriate at all. Honestly this kind of statement show a grave systematic problem at the TSA, time to stop hiding behind policy guys.

Jason T. Price said...

1. My children will never go through the scanners.
2. If they insist on a pat down of any of my children I will leave and find another way HOME!

Mark R said...

The leadership in Congress, the White House and the TSA need to understand that the American people aren't willing to submit to these violations of our civil liberties in the name of "safety." We'd rather accept the alleged increased risk of terrorist attack on US soil than create a police state in order to avoid one. Risks are inherent in life -- if the TSA "protects" us through groping children and grandchildren, those that want to do harm in the US will find another way. You can't eliminate all the risks. It's impossible. But, as Americans, we can stand for a certain standard of decency. These pat-downs of children are disgusting, unAmerican and indicative of a government that prefers to desensitize a generation to its unconstitutional abuses of power. It's time to stand up to this ridiculous course of conduct. Call your House Rep, call your Senator, call the White House and the TSA headquarters. Unless we vote the people out that permit this to occur, nothing will change.

Anonymous said...

Your country has become rather disgusting to me.I won't be visiting again.Best of luck to you.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:
"You all would be the first to point fingers when some goof-ball packs a kid full of explosives and blows up a plane or to... you have no clue, no clue."

Yes, there is certainly someone missing a clue here, including how someone would "pack a kid full of explosives."

Anonymous said...

The level to which the TSA and continues to imply that this type of screening is ok amazes me and apparently most Americans. I would like to make up scenarios in my job as well on a daily basis...and then change the answer when it suits me!

Anonymous said...

I will never take my wife and kids through an airport after seeing this. We will gladly road trip if we have to. The TSA is plain evil. I'd rather be free than "safe".

RB said...

I am left with the realization that if Airport Security as conducted by John S. Pistole is his best effort then we are not getting our monies worth.

John S. Pistole is clearly incompetent, does not have the vision to create a reasonable and effective security plan, and is not qualified or capable of running TSA or any other federal agency no matter how small.

Anonymous said...

TSA - you have made me go out of my way NOT to fly if I don't absolutely have to. Your approach to everything is such a bureaucratic nightmare that I don't see how anyone in your upper management can sleep at night. You have turned flying from something that used to be a pleasure into an unpleasant task. That video with the little girl was disgusting and I hate that you put her through that. I am ashamed that this is the best our country can do. Why is it that Israel doesn't have to go through measures like this yet remains safe?

Anonymous said...

Abolish the TSA.

Anonymous said...

I will again contact my House representative AND my senator to complain about your robotic none-thinking approach to safety. I will be happy when the TSA is abolished and a more rational approach is taken. You guys disgust me.

Anonymous said...

Down with the TSA!!!!!!!

John Russell said...

Those who would rail against giving up their freedoms to TSA or other agencies, and then voluntarily spread their life openly across the internet, are either very stupid or very hypocritical, or both. Mistakes and missteps, acknowledged, I support the TSA's efforts.

Anonymous said...

Keep up the good work. People will always find a reason to complain. Ignore the public and do whats necessary.

Anonymous said...

In the USA that I fondly remember, people were assumed innocent until proven guilty. This procedure at airports treats us all as though we're terrorists -- and we must prove we're not terrorists by allowing ourselves to be touched by strangers and/or irradiated -- and that's after showing a driver's license and boarding pass, and removing our shoes and any metal objects, and passing through a metal detector. To add insult to injury, if someone chooses to opt out, they're subject to arrest and an $11,000 fine. This is way over the line, and I wonder if we're incrementally becoming a police state. Whether intended or not, the message to Americans is: You are powerless, controlled and subservient. The vast majority of Americans clearly don't want the type of screening they're being subjected to. So why don't our elected representatives listen to us? Maybe it's because they want us conditioned to feel powerless, controlled and subservient. I fear that may be why they don't intervene.

Anonymous said...

Those of you who keep whining that the TSA had "not stopped/prevented a single terrorist attack since 9/11" really have no clue. Do you honestly think that the TSA is going to advertise on national television every time it stops something? They don't want the terrorists to know that they have the heads-up on the different tactics that are being used. Terrorist/fringe groups are constantly "testing" security to see what they can and can't get through and adapting their methods as a result. If they knew that the TSA was wise to "system 1" they'd stop using it, and move to something harder to detect.

Those of you screaming "MOLESTATION!!! CHILD ABUSE!!! PORNOGRAPHY!!!" need to get your heads examined.

And for the record - there have been many documented (and many more not documented) cases of adults (not always "parents" either) using children to try to get things through security checkpoints. They put knives in teddybears and backpacks and tape them to the backs of children. They stuff cocaine in baby's diapers - WHILE the kid is wearing them, not just in the diaper bags! A terrorist (and it doesn't have to be some Omar Akbar from Israel either - Tim McVeigh was as American as they come and he's a terrorist) who has an agenda and wants to make a statement will have no qualms using a child to succeed, especially if in their warped minds, they're doing something right, and the child will "be in heaven with them" once the plane blows up. I'd rather be safe and know the TSA is doing their job (and they are. I applaud them. They work in the face of some of the harshest criticism on the face of the Earth - YOU try doing that!)

And for the record - those of you screaming that the scanners are pornography - all the TSA agent viewing the screen sees nowadays is a featureless cutout that looks like Gumby - yep real sexy if you're into playdough porn.

Anonymous said...

I feel bad for the screener. She must know it's a no win situation, especially with a camera on her. Even if she does everything right, in the public's eye, it's still wrong. Can she refuse to screen the kid, well then she's written up for not doing her job.

How does a 6 year old get selected for secondary screening?

Anonymous said...

So from I can see, 99% of Americans are against the TSA.

Anonymous said...

As a government bureaucracy, the TSA will 'manipulate societal norms' in order to justify their existence...and yes I fly every week and I think the TSA is a complete joke that in no way contributes to safety. It is merely a federal jobs program soon to become a union jobs program.

Ayn R. Key said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFsMiE6S6AY

Next, an 8 year old boy.

Anonymous said...

Indefensible, TSA. Hopefully, H.R. 1510, introduced on April 13 in the House of Representatives by Representative Jason Chaffetz of Utah will gain traction and mandate you keep your hands off children. After that success, Americans who still value the rights enshrined in our Constitution will find ways to thwart your ever-increasing overreach, and your agency will be a forgotten memory.

Polish your resumes, BloggerBob, and Mr. Pistole. I’m not buying what you are selling, and now you’ve made me mad.

Anonymous said...

Just out of curiosity, are the TSA agents searched and scanned every time they enter the secure area? I would hope that every agent is searched thoroughly each time, since any one of them could easily slip a dangerous device into a person's carry-on luggage without their knowledge. In fact, they would have a very thorough knowledge of the flaws in the system. What is being done to close that security hole?

Anonymous said...

Huh... interesting... Every one of my comments have completely conformed, without the slightest exception, to the commenting policy. Why has the TSA moderator refused to post them?

Anonymous said...

I have been a frequent flyer for more that 10 years. DHS/TSA provide nothing more than the illusion of saftey.

If you look at recent terrorist attacks that have been recently thwarted, PASSENGERS have done more to protect citizens than this dopey federal agency.

As long as the TSA continues to use these disgusting and unconstitutional procedures, my family will not be flying anywhere.

Willie said...

So the TSA says, "Recognizing that terrorists are willing to manipulate societal norms to evade detection..." Sounds like an admission by TSA that they themselves could be terrorists. Hmmm... maybe someone needs to pat THEM down.

Anonymous said...

To the person who stated only the USSR and Germany promoted the word "Homeland" ... The USSR called Russia the Motherland, and Germany called its country the Fatherland. Neither one ever used Homeland.

Basil said...

As a father this video made my blood boil. I wish I could adequately express my enmity for the TSA and all those who think this type of behavior is OK. The world would drown in it.

Anonymous said...

Those of you who keep whining that the TSA had "not stopped/prevented a single terrorist attack since 9/11" really have no clue. Do you honestly think that the TSA is going to advertise on national television every time it stops something?
_____________

YES, I DO. I think, had they EVER stopped a terrorist, they would have stood on every available mountaintop and announced it to the world. I think TSA will do anything, including fear-mongering, to justify its own existence.

The only people who have ever stopped a terrorist attack on an airplane are other PASSENGERS. You know, the ones who are being harassed by TSA agents.

RB said...

A report of a TSA employee letting their child bypass all screening was reported to the DHS OIG today.

A second TSA employee was aware and threatened a traveler who noted this person bypassing security.

So remember TSA's Security is ok for your child but they won't make own their children go through the same security processes.

Anonymous said...

Oh and by the way, the TSA's budget this year -- roughly 8.1 BILLION dollars of taxpayer money.

Parkylondon said...

I don't why I am writing this - the TSA don't care one iota what we, the people, think about them.

They will continue to invade our privacy, restrict our freedomes and generally have their, perverted, idea of a GOOD TIME until we tell them NO.

Commenting here NEVER garners a response. The TSA simply DOES NOT CARE what we think. Contact your democratically elected representatives and tell them it's TIME to change the TSA's attitude.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin...

Anonymous said...

You all are a bunch of frauds. 9/11 worked only because the FAA had - for decades - told flightcrews to COMPLY WITH THE HIJACKERS.

It was like a trick play in football and it didn't even work for a whole day.

The heroes of flight 93 made kamikaze a losing proposition for the terrorists. Can they still kill a plane full of people? Yeah, probably. They can get on a kindergarten bus with a ball peen hammer and do almost as much damage.

You can't use prior restraint everywhere - there's just too damn man everywheres.

You guys are worthless. If there are going to be budget cuts, they ought to come your way until there is nothing of you left.

Anonymous said...

T S A Tyranny Starts at Airport
That is what TSA means. This is why
I will never fly again!

Anonymous said...

"Those of you who keep whining that the TSA had "not stopped/prevented a single terrorist attack since 9/11" really have no clue. Do you honestly think that the TSA is going to advertise on national television every time it stops something?" It gets on the news when the TSA FAILS, are you seriously suggesting that it wouldn't be all over the news if they SUCCEEDED? Man, you need to take some B12- the brain fog you exhibit is overwhelming.

Daryl said...

abelard,

ObL didn't change America. The truth is, the government only lacked an excuse to do what it wanted to do all along--increase its own power and reduce the people "under absolute Despotism" (Declaration of Independence).

The question, as always, is: Do we allow it, or do we resist?

Anonymous said...

We need to elect more members of Congress like Ron Paul of Texas, the invasion of our liberties has gone far enough.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"

Hans said...

"Some folks are asking if the proper procedures were followed. Yes. TSA has reviewed the incident and the security officer in the video followed the current standard operating procedures."

It may be that some folks are asking that, but it's more likely that most folks are asking: What the hell has happened to this country? Stop trying to excuse yourselves by pointing to your "standard procedure". You should really be ashamed of the performance of the entire TSA.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said at April 14, 2011 4:23 PM...
Do you honestly think that the TSA is going to advertise on national television every time it stops something?

Front page of www.tsa.gov . Scroll down to the "TSA Week at a Glance" section. They do indeed announce what they find.

Terrorist/fringe groups are constantly "testing" security to see what they can and can't get through and adapting their methods as a result.

[citation needed]

If they knew that the TSA was wise to "system 1" they'd stop using it, and move to something harder to detect.

Um, if the TSA stops it, then the terrorists would know it, because their guy got arrested and no planes blew up. Duh.

Those of you screaming "MOLESTATION!!! CHILD ABUSE!!! PORNOGRAPHY!!!" need to get your heads examined.

So, if I went up to your kids and "put my hand down [their] pants, all the way around", you'd be fine with it? You wouldn't think I was molesting them?

They put knives in teddybears and backpacks and tape them to the backs of children. They stuff cocaine in baby's diapers

A good metal detector will find a knife. So should the nudie-scanner which the girl went through. And the TSA is not the DEA.

A terrorist... will have no qualms using a child

Yeah, all those white, middle-class Americans with little blonde 3-year old girls. ::rolleyes::

all the TSA agent viewing the screen sees nowadays is a featureless cutout that looks like Gumby

No- that's a software package that the TSA is thinking of possibly, maybe rolling out sometime, not what is out there now.

Anonymous said...

I do not support the TSA in evasive pat-downs on children or adults. Nor do I support the full imaging body scanners.

Someone asked for an alternate solution??

I would much rather pay for sky marshal's. Every plane have 2 armed marshals both trained as pilots.

Then have all passengers pass by a "team" of bomb sniffing dogs.

I would pay for this in a heartbeat and I bet it would be cheaper and more effective then the "theater" we are seeing here.

Couple this with intelligence and you have a "hands off" system that will work.

I thought we elect and promote those who can find the "best" solution? Are you telling me this is the best you all came up with?

Who didn't see the PR nightmare coming from this barbaric solution?

COME ON AMERICA! I believe we are smarter and better then this!

Ben said...

I don't see any earthly reason why there needs to be a TSA. All this should be privatized. Problem solved.

Anonymous said...

If Washington had any real interest in shrinking the deficit, the TSA would be the first useless $7billion/year boondoggle to get the ax. We won't know how many $billion per terrorist that works out to until they finally catch one; it'll be around $70billion each if they catch one tomorrow.

But they're not totally useless. They remind us that we are subjects (not citizens) of a softly tyrannical government that slowly, a tenth of a turn every few months, tightens the screws on what used to be a free country.

If that isn't worth having your children molested at $7billion a year, what is?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous [TSA shill] @April 14, 2011 4:23 PM said...
Those of you who keep whining that the TSA had "not stopped/prevented a single terrorist attack since 9/11" really have no clue. Do you honestly think that the TSA is going to advertise on national television every time it stops something?

You bet they will. The IRS is the only other government bureau that people hate as much as the TSA, and for the same reason. Both agencies presume your guilt, and subject you to ordeals from which there is no appeal, considering themselves to be above the law.

They are desperate for a success story. In the unlikely event that they ever do manage to catch a terrorist, they'll break in to American Idol for ten minutes to brag about it.

Anonymous said...

There's a simple reason why TSA targets the very young, elderly, handicapped.

There are many people traveling and coming down hard on people perceived as "weaker" keeps the others in line. If you've ever seen authorities in places of incarceration working, you've seen this tactic.

TSA personnel can use this fear factor to speed up processing. Don't argue with success.

Anonymous said...

I just went from North Carolina to Colorado and back. It took me six extra days driving, but was worth every moment. Even with the gas prices I spent less that a single airline ticket from Jacksonville's airport to Colorado Springs and back. There were no sexual assaults on my or my wife's bodies without due process, no infringements of our 4th Amendment Rights and no risk of being taken prisoner on the end of the runway while the plane was tied up on the ground for six hours.

I continue to refuse to fly and suggest others take the same stand against the loss of our 4th Amendment rights until our elected officials make some effort to rein in the TSA. And I cherished every minute of freedom along the way.

Anonymous said...

I am outraged that the TSA defends the intimate touching of this 6-year-old. It is INDEED a big deal to the little girl, who broke down into tears after she was touched.

I would NEVER consent to having my child touched that way, ever. I would sooner sue the TSA for sexual harassment and abandon my flight than allow some stranger to touch my child that way.

Shame on you for treating this in such a nonchalant manner! Shame on you for ignoring the voice of the American people!

Anonymous said...

Are you kidding...a 6 year old?
And that is supposed to make me feel safe? Only a government agency would think that groping a young child equates with safety.
I guess I will be driving this summer.

Jason Upton said...

$5 gas this summer still means I will drive rather than subject my daughter to this! If this had been my daughter, I would not have tolerated this abuse.

Anonymous said...

And government agencies are willing to evade societal norms to further their own agendas. Sad days indeed.

Anonymous said...

Unless you are willing or capable of profiling our known and obvious enemy, you are a completely useless agency. When groups of American soldiers headed to our war zones, little kids and the elderly receive the same treatment as everyone else, you are wasting time and resources and making travel far riskier than if the TSA were allowed to use logic.

Anonymous said...

I continue to write my congressman about the idiocy of the TSA not profiling to focus its resources. I encourage everyone reading this to do the same and hopefully we can instill some sanity in a check the box, feel good and ineffective government program.

Anonymous said...

The ONLY way to deal with this issue to stop flying.. Hit the airlines in the money belt and they will do something no thier own about TSA.
TSA blinked over the nationial don't fly day last fall.
Don't fly... drive, stay home, take the train. Enough of us boycott airplanes it will make an impact.
How many terrorist have TSA caught none... alert passengers were the catchers.. TSA couldn't find a terrorist if one were to hang a sign from its neck as it walked thru.

WiFi_Girl said...

Bottom Line - he US cannot identify real terrorists trying to commit terrorist acts effectively. The only way to do so would be to conduct profiling, but this would look too racist. We can analyze the overal profile of all people that had commited terrorist acts and we will find - Middle Eastern men, Muslim, Non Citizen... If this is so, why do we pat down Granny McGee, who's 85 and uses a wheelchair?

This is more based on the risk of lawsuits from CAIR and other Muslim organizations. It is more "sensitive" to asume everyone is a potential threat and then try to utilize percentage and numbers to prove the TSA is not racist. There are lots of lawyers dictatig policy.

Anonymous said...

Please make a post and clarify if a child has the right to refuse being pat down and if so, what would happen?

Anonymous said...

TSA, I think you've been voted off the island.

Anonymous said...

I will never fly with my children again.

Anonymous said...

If you honestly suspect a child has explosives shoved down their underpants, shouldn't you be detaining the parents for child abuse?

Any parent who would do that to the child would seem to be the bigger threat.

Anonymous said...

If we change the way we live it'll mean the terrorists won. Remember that?

Anonymous said...

So this proves that TSA and US government lied about this practice being stopped for young children.

As a person who dont live in europe i cannot understand how americans put up with this.
This is basically straight out of 1984.

It is time for american people to stand up and say enough is enough. This all could easily be stopped if everyone refused to go through these scanners or the patdown.

But i guess my comment will be censored by TPTB.

Anonymous said...

The article, Terrorists will manipulate societal norms to evade detection is scary for any future fliers. TSA frisks 6 year old girls, yet does not inspect 100% of all cargo put into the aircraft hold..think back to Pan Am flt 102 December 1988. Recently, A moslem terrorist thug used a bomb inserted into his "body cavity" in an attempted assassination on a Saudi Prince. When does TSA program of breast exams and child sexual assault, progress to ever MORE invasive exams? Is the American public not pissed enough already? Enough to PROFILE? No? When will you be? Jiminredstate

Smarter than the TSA said...

For all of you defending TSA because there are bad people trying to kill us. WHEN HAVE ANY OF THE TERRORISTS COME IN THE FORM OF A BLONDE HAIRED 6 YEAR OLD LITTLE GIRL???? Get some brains and check the facts, then profile the people who are potentially dangerous.

Anonymous said...

DOWN WITH TSA! DOWN WITH TSA!

You are violating the people who are forced to pay for your services, for your false idea of protection.

Exactly what percentage of flights were lost by terrorist attacks prior to the forming of the TSA? You are an unwanted, unneeded entity that is violating our civil rights on a routine basis.

Anonymous said...

I thought the FBI was supposed to solve terrorism cases in the us. This is all for show. What happens when a terrorist uses a body cavity bomb. ? If a terrorist gets to the airport w a bomb, our government has already failed us.

Anonymous said...

Israel profiles all of the people who walk through the door of Ben Gurion. Their record is clean of any hijacked planes. Why can't the TSA take a lesson, avoid the embarrassment, and profile their passengers?

Anonymous said...

The best way to push back against TSA is by simply not flying. The TSA will never admit that many people now refuse to fly.

Why does anyone wonder why the airlines have been merging? They are going broke.

And, $108 per barrel of oil will kill off even the healthiest of the remaining airlines. In another year, we'll be lucky to have three major airlines.

Eventually, the TSA agents will be groping each other just to stay in practice.

Empty Vessel said...

Can the TSA name one incident or occasion when an American father or mother used their young child to blow up anything? African countries and Middle Eastern countries are known for using children as child soldiers and as bomb-carrying instruments. I can see the airports in those countries patting down children. But not in the US!! culturally and as a society, we value children too much to use them for terrorist purposes. American children do not pose a security threat. They are not the enemy. Unless the TSA has some insider information that says American parents have the potential of strapping a bomb to a 6 year old, TSA policy needs to change. To say that TSA policy justifies them to pat down young child is ridiculous. If a child had a bomb strapped to them, that child would show warning signs. Child express stress very visibly, especially when they are in danger or their life is threatened. That is common sense.

Anonymous said...

So if a female school teacher physically touched a young girl be in this manner they would fired and put in jail! If the girls mother did this in public to her daughter a children's protection agency would be called and the daughter taken from her mother and likely the mother arrested!

But it is now perfectly OK for a stranger to grope the little girl in full public because they wear a blue suit! Our government is totally out of control and it is only getting worse everyday!! George Orwell could not even envision today's America!!!!

Anonymous said...

TSA has lost all credibility and needs to be defunded and dismantled.

Anonymous said...

As Ron Paul stated " You have more chance of dying from a bee sting than from a terrorist"

This is not about terrorism, it is about setting down the Control Grid as America melts down following 30 years of de-industrialization, False Flag CIA Staged Terror Attacks, fear-based initiatives the selling off of America to China and the IMF, Austerity measures brought on by the Criminal Offshore Banking Cartel Hell bent on destroying American Sovereignty after they have raided our Economy and hung our pension and Municipal Bond Funds on phony fiat paper derivatives.

Anonymous said...

As long as our shopping malls and subways remain unprotected, those would probably be targeted next. In China, Thailand and other Asian nations, all mall and subway entrances are already covered by metal detectors or manual bag searches. Will America only learn after another disaster?

Stephen said...

That kid went along with the pat-down, though she now has the memory of a stranger touching her like that. But what about when a kid does NOT go along, but instead develops a tantrum? Will they be forced to restrain the child and search him or her anyway? And what about when a trial attorney gets wind of something like that? Those TSA workers are not protected from legal action against them personally, along with their supervisors. Will they claim they were just following orders (Lt. Calle is watching)?

Stephen said...

What will they do when another kid throws a fit rather than get screened? Trial attorneys, pay attention, please...

RogerCfromSD said...

This practice by the TSA is repulsive and oppressive.

I look forward to the day this agency is abolished by a real Congress and President.

Stephen said...

Airline profit margins are very tight. Boycott just a small portion of our normal flight patterns; one less flight a year. Enough people do it and they will TSA to go home. Or there won't be flights to screen.

Anonymous said...

the last government to act this way toward the people was the Italian facist government in the late 30's and 40's. I understand Jim Jones of Jonestown fame did too (give me your children) koolaid drinkers like those who think the TSA is doing us a service must understand that in their existance they Never stopped any threat. They let on people who not only fit the profile but were on the watch list and they have done countless violations of persons who fly. In short they are a useless arm of the state when it comes to their activity. Only caring, attentive and active citizens can stop terrorism. the entire TSA works hard to suppress that notion by making us a nation of sheep beholding to the state. Stalin and Mussolini would be proud.

Anonymous said...

Dear TSA,

Here's a thought. Instead of the P.C. garbage done now, which includes frisking Grandma and little Susie, how 'bout giving Israel a call to learn how they do the job.

Hint: They profile. And they do it well. One never hears of El Al being flown into buildings or blown up by underpant or shoe bombers and Israel is even more unpopular than the U.S. is.

Eric said...

So official TSA policy is that we should give up freedom in hope of obtaining safety. Got it. Thanks for putting that in writing, guys.

Anonymous said...

TSA is a government agency that is unwanted, unecessary, and downright out of line. I flew this past weekend and the complete idiocy of the TSA workers made one man blow up to the point of almost being arrested. I do not, and never will, agree to any "pat downs", especially with a child! OMG! We have much better technology than some slowmoving, slowthinking dolt putting hands on We The People!

Anonymous said...

Some people have suggested the government should eliminate the TSA Blog and put Blogger Bob out on the streets. Hell no. Like the wall in China's Tiananmen Square, this blog allows us to express our collective outrage. Will anyone do anything because of what's written here. Hell yes. Will they announce it? They'd be stupid to. These hundreds of posts strike at the heart of TSA's dilemma: damned if the don't, damed if they do. Well, they are not going to do this kind of crap anymore to children. Just watch. And keep posting.

Anonymous said...

Our government is corrupt, unaccountable and out of control.

Were it not the TSA would have been dismantled by now.

Alexandra Dianne Cooper said...

This procedure is really one relevant thing that we should face and our TSA's because terrorism is really using every possible ways just to obtain such goal they want. I am very competent that our TSA is really working specifically. We are very proud of you guys.

sfoxe said...

If terrorists threaten explosive suppositories, just once, we will all be bending over before boarding. TSA needs to be less politically correct and use profiling instead of groping children.

Anonymous said...

Tell me again how many children have bombed/hijacked planes? This silly BS of 'not' profiling is merely for show, and yet profiling actually does make scientific sense. Fascist Multiculturalists.

Anonymous said...

The only one manipulating societal norms is the TSA

Anonymous said...

The proper role of government is to protect its citizens liberty. Therefore the proper policies and procedures should be those that allow American citizens to be able to travel as freely as possible. Let me be clear. If I am a law abiding citizen, I want to be able buy an airline ticket with cash, and other than checking identification, be able to board without scrutiny. If you have no probably cause, nor reasonable suspicion, you have no right to interfere with any lawful commerce that I have a right to engage in.

Anonymous said...

Oh Bob, you are adorable. But sometimes I wonder if you only do it for the money or if you are a true believer. If you had a little girl how would you feel if some total stranger felt her up like that in the name of (false) security? I'm guessing you wouldn't console yourself by saying it's "standard operating procedures". If you weren't at least a little pissed off about it then you would be a terrible parent.

Brett said...

The TSA are as bad as the terrorists. How many victims like that 6 year old girl is the TSA going create before they figure out they are doing more harm than good..
How many six year olds have ever been implicated in a terrorist action? Zero...
Damb America your holding it wrong.

RB said...

Since TSA refuses to screen its employees seems only fair that we travelers can feel up any TSA employee we choose when going through screening.

Fair is Fair, right?

Anyone ever wonder why TSA doesn't screen airport employees?

Or screen themselves?

Or has signage in airports saying liquids over 3oz is prohibited but the limit is 100ml?

Uses Xray screening devices on humans when safer types of equipment is available?

Why TSA employees use the same gloves on multiple people or doesn't change them even after going to the restroom?

Ever notice how many TSA employees are standing around doing nothing when the security lines are an hour long?

Ever wonder why we are paying for the most incompetent airport screening in the world and it cost sthe American taxpayers billions of dollars but TSA has a high paid employee running an internet blog for a job?

Feel up 6 year olds, AOK at TSA!

Use intelligence to screen people, NO CAN DO at TSA!

Anonymous said...

Why not have the child simply walk the the metal detectors that are still used at most domestic airports all the time for all passengers?

My 7-year old daughter was molested in a similar way under more private circumstances and the individual was prosecuted, found guilty, and sentenced.

Meanwhile, identified international suspects are allowed into the country and ATC are allowed to sleep at their posts. It seems to me that Homeland Security is content to spend most resources on the limited risk low hanging fruit.

Anonymous said...

Everyone is asking when the last time was that a 6 year old blew up a plane. Prior to 9/11 who had ever attacked skyscrapers with passenger jets? I don’t envy TSA one bit. They have a tough job for sure and they will NEVER please everybody so I guess there will always be outrage.

Anonymous said...

USA Today- It's virtually impossible to profile a child molester I bet there are pedophiles who work for TSA. I don’t disagree one bit but you cannot fault them for this. It is not a problem that is only specific to TSA. You can’t screen for them. They work in all professions. You likely work with pedophiles or even live in the same neighborhood. Drop your hatred for a moment and stop faulting TSA for something they cannot control. Priests, pediatricians, scout leaders, teachers, trusted family, trusted friends, and the list could go on and on.

Anonymous said...

I am a former TSA manager who has moved on to better things. I am not your biggest TSA fan but I can tell you that many of our officers are doing the best they can do with what they are given. They do not write the procedures. You should know the patdown seen in this video IS the modified patdown. I can’t tell you how because it is precious SSI, but it is. Take it for what it is worth. You do not have to believe me. It bothers me that TSA actually does tell it like it is here and they are still accused of lying. They can’t win. They are trying to actually communicate with the public honestly but you call them liars. The truth is here it is just not what you want to hear.

Anonymous said...

I am not condoning what the TSA has done, but the sad fact is that terrorists will not discriminate or differentiate between using themselves or children or mentally handicapped to achieve their goals. If we learned anything from 9/11 its that terrorists don't need bombs, all they need are box cutters, do you really think that terrorists wouldn't try to sneak a knife onto an aircraft if they knew they just had to bring along a child, who wasn't going to be subject to the same search as them. If we want flights to be secure, all passengers, regardless of age need to be held to the same standards. I do agree that parents or guardians should be aware of and witness any patdowns or extra security that their children are to be subjected to.

RB said...

Anonymous said...
USA Today- It's virtually impossible to profile a child molester I bet there are pedophiles who work for TSA. I don’t disagree one bit but you cannot fault them for this. It is not a problem that is only specific to TSA. You can’t screen for them. They work in all professions. You likely work with pedophiles or even live in the same neighborhood. Drop your hatred for a moment and stop faulting TSA for something they cannot control. Priests, pediatricians, scout leaders, teachers, trusted family, trusted friends, and the list could go on and on.

April 15, 2011 10:05 AM

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I suggest you do a little google searching for TSA employee crimes.

You will find drug dealers, child porn users, thieves, known felons and all other manner of criminal activity from the people who think feeling up 6 year old girls is perfectly ok.

I'm not making this up, do your own research and see just how bad TSA really is.

TSA says their people don't need screening because they have had "Background Checks" yet almost weekly some TSA employee is being taken away in handcuffs for another crime.

Something is very wrong in TSA and the current leader, John S. Pistole, doesn't seem to have the skills to deal with these problems.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous wrote: I am not your biggest TSA fan but I can tell you that many of our officers are doing the best they can do with what they are given. They do not write the procedures.

Ah, the classic "Just Following Orders" defense.

It's hasn't worked since Nuremburg.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous wrote: do you really think that terrorists wouldn't try to sneak a knife onto an aircraft

Do you really think that the passengers are going to allow someone with a knife to hijack an aircraft? They'll have to steam-clean the would-be hijacker out of the carpeting.

Shoe Bomber: Defeated by passengers and flight crew.
Underwear Bomber: Defeated by passengers and flight crew.
Terrorists caught by the TSA: Zero.

The TSA is a waste of time and money, contributing nothing to real security but making people who can't weigh risks "feel" safer. Pure security theatre. No more.

Anonymous said...

Someone claiming to have been of the TSA said: "You should know the patdown seen in this video IS the modified patdown."

HOW would we know this!?!?!

YOU acknowledged the actual procedures are SSI (secret).

We do not know if a screener is following SOP or molesting us.

The TSA has proven for a decade they can not be trusted to deal with the public honestly. It is too late to ask for our trust now that you want to put your hands in our pants and bras.

Anonymous said...

I find the suggestion that this is "molestation" or "sexual assault" to be totally offensive. They did a light, non-invasive pat down. That's not sexual assault. That's like comparing skinning your knee to losing a leg in an IED. What a bunch of hysterics we have turned into. Is there nothing better for you to get riled up about? I'd rather people receive a scan than get blown sky high by some freak with a bomb in his knickers/shoes/teddy bear/infant milk bottle/luggage/etc.

Anonymous said...

Why all this interest in bras?

You claim it is the underwires?

Why are men's zippers not alarming like the bras?

Why are you always searching bras and not mens crotches?

Anonymous said...

It's a hit!

The video will have over 1 million views soon.

It is a hot topic in all the English speaking countries.

Good work!

Parkylondon said...

@Anonymous TSA Manager
You are certainly correct in what you say about the TSA and their day to day efforts on this blog. The trouble is they do contradict themselves here and in the outside world.

THe TSA has the lowest reputation ANY government department in the USA and abroad. Travellers HATE them - they are useless, feckless, automatons who could and should be replaced by profiling.

The problem is that once a group like the TSA exists their whole raison d'etre is to maintain their existance.

"Improve", "enhance", "increase". They are all words which mean "we need more money, more people". If they maintain this path they can't be gotten rid of.

The fact of the matter is, they can and should be disbanded...

Selena Drexel said...

Thank you very much for your interest in Anna's story:

The message we're trying to convey is not one of feeling like helpless victims or of being angry with the TSA, but instead for being child advocates. Our family believes that the current procedure, while well intentioned to keep passengers safe in the short term of a few hours of flight, may in fact endanger child passengers in the long run when they are unable to differentiate who is allowed to touch their "sensitive areas". We'd like to process to change to deliver a consistent message to young travelers in the hopes of keeping them safe from people who would do them harm, not only in the air, but on the ground as well.

Children are not miniature adults, and they should not be treated as such. They process information differently and have different feelings about what's happening to them. In order to protect themselves when mom or dad can't be right there with them, they need to be able to trust that uneasy feeling when someone is touching them and say "No, you can't do that". We're each instilled with a gut feeling and should trust when something feels wrong. Instead, with the procedure in place, it teaches children (and adults too for that matter) to ignore that feeling and let it happen. This is a set up for real tragedy when a predator could take advantage of a child who would ignore that feeling.

I want to believe that the initial goals of Department of Homeland Security and the TSA agencies are to keep Americans safe. Having them acknowledge that the methods and policies in place for achieving these goal need refinement is very encouraging. I'd very much like to see a more collaborative effort between the critics and the TSA/DHS to develop procedures and policies that would be endorsed by parents, advocates for other special populations, as well as those who promote adherence to the US Constitution.

Warmest regards,
Selena Drexel

Anonymous said...

"do you really think that terrorists wouldn't try to sneak a knife onto an aircraft if they knew they just had to bring along a child,

If they do get a knife through security, SO WHAT!?

Anyone who wants to could get edged weapons past the checkpoint.

Multiple layers of security include the hardened cockpit doors, armed pilots and the passengers who are NOT going to be passive.

"Everything changed on 9/11"

And a big change is that no one is going to be able to take control of a plane with box cutters or knives.

RB said...

Anonymous said...
I find the suggestion that this is "molestation" or "sexual assault" to be totally offensive. They did a light, non-invasive pat down. That's not sexual assault. That's like comparing skinning your knee to losing a leg in an IED. What a bunch of hysterics we have turned into. Is there nothing better for you to get riled up about? I'd rather people receive a scan than get blown sky high by some freak with a bomb in his knickers/shoes/teddy bear/infant milk bottle/luggage/etc.

April 15, 2011 11:17 AM

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I find it totally offensive that you think it is ok for TSA to violate the Constitutions Fourth Amendment by conducting searches that wouldn't be allowed unless a person was being arrested for a crime.

The TSA employee rubbed the child's buttocks, breast area and other parts of the body.

Anywhere else and that would get a person a jail sentence as a child molester.

The problem is that the level of search does not address the current risk.

Anonymous said...

You all have hit the nail on the proverbial head. Hahahaha! What was TSA thinking. Terrorists would never go so low as to hiding something on a kid to get it through security. Gosh.

Anonymous said...

By the way, for those advocating the Israeli approach, seasoned travelers often arrive at Ben Gurion airport up to four hours before their flight just to make sure they can get on it.

Selena Drexel said...

By the way, I have never endorsed the media to use the terms Angry or Outraged or any other emotionally charged adjective in reference to how we feel. The media has overdramatized our families reaction to this. We took this incident as an opportunity to affect some positive change for children.

Furthermore, I would never insult, invalidate or minimize the feelings of those who have truly been traumatized by rape, molestation, or other acts of sexual violence by insinuating that is what I thought happened to Anna. What happened to Anna cannot compared to those types of tragedies. She was "groped" in the English definition: to search blindly or uncertainly with the hands. In my opinion, that's what happened as the video shows.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The genesis of TSA was the three planes that flew into World Trade Towers and the Pentagon. Airlines now have corrected this with secured doors to the cockpits. Everything beyond that has been senseless.


Here we go again... tell me All Knowing One, but how does a locked cockpit door keep the underwear bomber from blowing up the whole plane? i guess you didnt fully think that one through. typical.

Anonymous said...

The only people who have ever stopped a terrorist attack on an airplane are other PASSENGERS. You know, the ones who are being harassed by TSA agents.

April 14, 2011 7:26 PM

OH RIGHT! you mean the flights that didnt have a TSA in their airport. Facts dont matter to you do they?

Anonymous said...

RB said...
Since TSA refuses to screen its employees seems only fair that we travelers can feel up any TSA employee we choose when going through screening.

Fair is Fair, right?


RB... PUHLEASE PLEASE PLEASE feel up a federal officer while they are on duty. But you wont because all you do is talk.

Anonymous said...

Lord Acton's dictum at work here: "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

The groping ( and groping it was- do that on the street and you go to jail as a sexual offender ) of the child almost certainly has nothing to do with security but everything to do with the power complex of the ill-educated and ignorant people who serve as TSA screeners.

By the way they have recently started to call themselves "Officers". just another delusion of power.

Anonymous said...

all the TSA agent viewing the screen sees nowadays is a featureless cutout that looks like Gumby

No- that's a software package that the TSA is thinking of possibly, maybe rolling out sometime, not what is out there now.

April 14, 2011 8:55 PM

Actually it is being used now. How would you know that its not? Oh thats right, youre making things up.

Anonymous said...

Am I the only one who thinks this video is doctored? Come on!!!! You can hear the little girl loud and clear, but you can barely hear the screener. And what six-year-old talks like that? It sounds more like a 4 year old. Why was the original video pulled down and why did this one go viral? If this was a TSA video everyone would be up in arms saying it was doctored.

Anonymous said...

Tomorrows headlines: little girl explodes bringing down jumbo jetliner; TSA blamed.

Anonymous said...

If TSA starts ignoring kids wont the terrorists exploit them for sure?

Anonymous said...

I cannot believe how easily and rapidly people DO FORGET!!! I guess we need to post pictures of each and every person (children’s, men and women) that died that fatal 9-11! Post videos of that horrible day of people jumping from the Towers, the airplanes crashing in the Towers etc… I guess most of you bloggers did not have a wife, husband, child,son, daughter, relative, friend, a friend of a friend, a neighbor , etc… that died that 9-11. I believe that horrific day you called yourself an “American that WILL NEVER FORGET”. Guess what? YOU have FORGOTTEN!!! What is going on with some American people and those who call themselves patriotic. Don’t you understand they will use babies, toddlers, children, women, elderly etc... to do us any type of HARM… Can’t you understand? It’s unfortunate it has turned out this way but it’s REALITY! They are trying to blend in they will not look like Osama Bin Laden!!! Come on people and smell the reality!! It’s for our SAFETY!! Since you didn’t have a loved one killed I guess that’s the reason you are complaining…because it wasn’t you that had to go through all that pain and suffering!!! Good Job TSA and our Troops!

Anonymous said...

This is much ado about nothing - I travel regularly for business and with my family. And only subjected to a patdown twice - once when I forgot to take my metal wristwatch off before I went through the detector and the second when I was wearing an underwire bra (go figure!). If you want to avoid a patdown, dress yourself and your child in a way that avoids setting off the detector! You'll be through in a flash! And many kids are afraid of detectors - mine howled when he as 18 months old. Now at 4, he is fascinated and the TSA people are always very respectful!

Ron said...

Now it comes out that one of the things used to single people out for more agressive screening is vocal protest against the tsa...
so trouncing on the fourth amendment wasnt enough? now you want to take away first amendment rights as well? I would assume that every post from people on this blog puts them on a list somewhere_ words come to mind- facism, police state. I am more scared of the tsa than any foreign threat!!!

Anonymous said...

If this had been my grandchild I would have been outraged inside, but would have asked that the whole family be patted down. As an only child, I can tell you that children take things personally when they are the only one affected by an action.

But from a security point of view, doesn’t it make sense to pat down the whole family? A 6 year old isn’t going to place a bomb on herself! If the child is suspect, why not all the other children and the parents, too?!! And any friends they are flying with?

If the level of suspicion doesn't rise to a level that justifies all that, then why does it justify submitting a small child to that kind of treatment?

We haven't flown since you started this more agressive search but were thinking of flying to see our grandbaby who just started talking since our jobs don't allow us time to drive there. Now I'm rethinking that!

RB said...

Anonymous said...
RB said...
Since TSA refuses to screen its employees seems only fair that we travelers can feel up any TSA employee we choose when going through screening.

Fair is Fair, right?


RB... PUHLEASE PLEASE PLEASE feel up a federal officer while they are on duty. But you wont because all you do is talk.

April 15, 2011 12:15 PM

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First off, TSA employees are by no measure an officer. The tin badge does not an officer make. TSA screeners are not law enforcement.


So I can't do to them what they can freely do to me, is that it?

It is perfectly ok for an employee of TSA to feel my genitals for no reason and I have no recourse.

Time to put some of these TSA employees in jail for sexual assault.

Francis said...

My family and I are outraged by the intrusiveness of the TSA. They have overstepped boundaries of decency. They humiliate passengers with their naked scanners and groping patdowns. Such a focus on passengers is not necessary when many of the workers entering the airport area are not even screened at all. It is security theater.

Plus, the TSA employees are rude. And this is costing way too much.

Anonymous said...

If you have not read Selena Drexel's two posts on this blog, you should. Ms. Drexel is the mother of the child who was frisked. In this blog field of Anonymous comments (and you know why we do that), she stands out in both presentation and content as a thinking adult. Bravo, Ms. Drexel.

Anonymous said...

The only people who have ever stopped a terrorist attack on an airplane are other PASSENGERS. You know, the ones who are being harassed by TSA agents.

April 14, 2011 7:26 PM

OH RIGHT! you mean the flights that didnt have a TSA in their airport. Facts dont matter to you do they?
____________________

You feel confident about the abilities of the TSA? Do you? Here are some facts for you.

In 2004/2005 TSA had a 70% failure rate for preventing weapons and other contraband from making it onto airplaines. (The results of their own testing.)

With the CURRENT screening in place - in just the past few months - they've failed to detect box cutters, steak knives, etc. In once incident, the flight crew detected boxcutters only when they fell out of a man's carry-on bag on the plane. (That one made the news.) And this was at two of what TSA has flagged their most "high-risk" airports. (In New York and New Jersey.)

And how about this nugget from a 2010 article put out by ABC News:

"According to one report, undercover TSA agents testing security at a Newark airport terminal on one day found that TSA screeners failed to detect concealed bombs and guns 20 out of 22 times. A government audit leaked to USA Today revealed that undercover agents were successful slipping simulated explosives and bomb parts through Los Angeles’s LAX airport in 50 out of 70 attempts, and at Chicago’s O’Hare airport agents made 75 attempts and succeeded in getting through undetected 45 times."

Do we really want to give TSA 8.1 Billion MORE dollars of taxpayer money in 2011?

Flying will never be 100% safe -- with the TSA or without. The question is, how much of our privacy and freedom to we want to give up to a government agency? I think we've given up MORE than enough and it needs to stop.

Jen said...

Why hasn't the TSA adopted any of Israel's anti-terrorism procedures? They've been fighting terrorism since they became a country. Their airports are much safer than ours. Read up on the incredibly effective techniques they use that rely more on criminal psychology than physical scanning or touching. They don't invade the privacy of their flyers by looking at or touching their bodies, and they have an incredible record of avoiding terrorist attacks. Let's learn from those who are experts at this rather than frisking 6-year-olds.

Anonymous said...

I guess you think bombs are like you remember them from Willey Coyote and the Roadrunner, but with plastic explosive, a little dab will do ya.

If you're too shy for a professional to put his hand on your naughty business, just stay at home. Don't go to the doctor either. And don't give me that "doctors have been to medical school" nonsense. Doctors can be freaks too.

Anonymous said...

Time to put some of these TSA employees in jail for sexual assault.

April 15, 2011 1:46 PM

By all means give it a shot and let me know how it went. haha

RB said...

Flying will never be 100% safe -- with the TSA or without. The question is, how much of our privacy and freedom to we want to give up to a government agency? I think we've given up MORE than enough and it needs to stop.

April 15, 2011 2:13 PM

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You left off one very recent and very telling failure of TSA.

A person, I beleive a lady, who was testing TSA screening of the Whole body Imager was able to take a handgun through a checkpoint at Dallas/Fort Worth 5 times out of 5 attempts.

So these Strip Search Machines that cost almost a quarter of a million dollars ($250,000.00 of your tax monies for each machine) each can't even detect a handgun. But TSA gets to look at our naked images!

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http://www.smartertravel.com/blogs/today-in-travel/whoops-undercover-agent-slips-gun-past-tsa.html?id=6936678


An undercover TSA agent was allegedly able to pass through security at Dallas Fort-Worth International Airport several times with a gun concealed in her underpants, reports NBC Dallas Fort-Worth.

An anonymous TSA source told NBCDFW, "the undercover agent carried a pistol in her undergarments when she put the body scanners to the test. The officer successfully made it through the airport's body scanners every time she tried." The source added that "none of the TSA agents who failed to spot the gun were disciplined, and that they continue to work the body scanners today."

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So is TSA's answer to their incompetence the felling up of 6 year old girls?

Anonymous said...

What a bunch of hype. Thumbs down... TSA has been nothing but good to my little one and me.

Anonymous said...

anon said:
"
Shoe Bomber: Defeated by passengers and flight crew.
Underwear Bomber: Defeated by passengers and flight crew.
Terrorists caught by the TSA: Zero."

please recognize these people were not in US airports when they boarded their planes. please stick to the facts.
i would like to applaud Mrs Drexel for coming on and putting out her thoughts.

Anonymous said...

This is not security.

This is the complete opposite.

I do not fear terrorist.

TSA however, truly scares me.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the six year old being subjected to an enhanced pat-down:

First, as I watched the video, I surprised myself. The pat-down didn't appear to be as bad as I had heard.

Secondly, and more importantly---It's still disgusting.
Not only because it degrades both the passenger and the TSA agent, but also because IT IS NOT NECESSARY.

Here's why it is not necessary:

The TSA doesn't appear to use behavioral profiling beyond the simplest of concepts ("He was nervous"; "He looked away", She booked a one-way ticket, etc.)
It claims it cannot profile on any number of things that could be grounds for a discrimination lawsuit.
Remember---not all Muslims are terrorists; not all non-white people are terrorists'; some white people could be terrorists.

Instead, the agency tells us how a terrorist put explosives in his underwear. It reminds us how terrorists could use children to try to smuggle "materials" onto a plane.

Having concluded it cannot profile, the TSA randomly chooses people for enhanced pat-downs. If a kid is chosen, well, that's the bad break.

The key point is that everything seems to be done on "one unit". Example: There are six people in a family going through security. Any number of them could be let through easily.
One or two could be subject to enhanced procedures.

Does the TSA look at the whole family?

In this video, did any TSA agents observe the parents while one patted down the kid? Probably not.
What if the kid DID HAVE materials that cold bring down a plane?
How would the parents have reacted? Probably very differently.
I say this because a six year old does not choose to become a terrorist.

Still, you probably agree that a "parent terrorist" might try to plant "materials" on a kid.
In that case the parent should be watched as much as the kid. Both kid and parent would be very nervous just before the pat-down.

One can argue, therefore, that kids alone should never be subjected to enhanced pat-downs, but parent and child, or perhaps, the entire family should be.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said........

I guess you think bombs are like you remember them from Willey Coyote and the Roadrunner, but with plastic explosive, a little dab will do ya.

If you're too shy for a professional to put his hand on your naughty business, just stay at home. Don't go to the doctor either. And don't give me that "doctors have been to medical school" nonsense. Doctors can be freaks too.

April 15, 2011 2:27 PM"

Of course if your that afraid of a little terrorist you could stay home as well and let Uncle Sam take care of you.

In fact please do.

Anonymous said...

Everyone whining on the policies will be the first to scream "TSA didnt do their Job!"...If something really happened.

Deal with it. Its the world we live in. They can grope me and my whole family and everyone for that matter. I smile when I get off of a plane that wasnt blown up.

Ask anyone that had relatives killed on 911 if the pat downs are too much...

Grow up and quit whining. Ride a bike if you dont like it.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous @ 4/15 4:13 PM

I'd like to sell you this rock I keep on my desk. It keeps tigers away. How do you know it works? This rock has been on my desk for 6 years and I've never been attacked by a tiger. QED.

Nobody's saying there should be no security. Metal detectors, x-rays of belongings, and explosives detectors (whether machine or canine) is all we need. No pat down, no porno-scanning, and things are even safer than they are now.

Of course, that doesn't get money in the pocket of DHS cronies, so it will neer happen.

Anonymous said...

Ask anyone that had relatives killed on 911 if the pat downs are too much...

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The pat downs are too much.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous wrote: Ask anyone that had relatives killed on 911 if the pat downs are too much...

I did. He said his deceased relative was probably spinning in her grave over what her death has been used to "justify."

I know I would be spinning in mine. If another airliner falls from the sky in a blast of terrorism, it won't be the TSAs fault under any circumstances anyway - it'll be the TSAs fault.

So far, the courts have been unanimous in their decisions in favor of law enforcement. There is no duty to "prevent."

SSSS for some reason said...

Anonymous said...
I cannot believe how easily and rapidly people DO FORGET!!! I guess we need to post pictures of each and every person (children’s, men and women) that died that fatal 9-11!

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Been drinking your own Kool-Aid again, have you?

I have been reading this blog long enough to have figured out something.... If Joe Q Public had posted a comment as outrageous and rude as yours, it would never have made it to public view. If a TSA Agent posts something like this, it does make it to public view.

You kind of outed yourself as an employee of the TSA with this particular outburst.

A screen capture of this is being saved and sent via snail-mail to the appropriate agencies because I have reason to believe it will not be approved even thought it is in compliance with the posting rules of this publicly funded communications device.

SSSS for some reason said...

Anonymous said...
Ask anyone that had relatives killed on 911 if the pat downs are too much...

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The pat downs are too much.

The Porno-Scanners are too much.

The TSA is too much.

This is not security, and it is increasingly not even security theater.

The next 'threat' will not involve aircraft. Then where will TSA install itself to 'protect' us?

Anonymous said...

The TSA Administrator had said himself, to Congress under oath, that children 12 years old and under who require extra screening will receive a modified pat down. That statement must have been a lie, because this video does not show a modified pat down, but the full invasive adult procedure (certified correct here by Blogger Bob) that I will not allow my daughter to be subjected to. This vile procedure must be changed immediately. TSA, are you listening?

Wellbloggerme said...

TSA I wanted to say that with your good intentions you have lost site of the fact that millions died in the last century against treatment that is seen done to that little girl.
At what price of freedom are you willing to take away from people do you think is reasonable to ensure saftey?
You are people to is what you would have some stranger do to your loved ones.
There are better ways, better training in behaviour skills the Isralies use at there airports are the best in the world. No free society treats its people like this. Please look inwards to yourselves and ask if this is the best way. Other pointed out here that explosives will not be picked up in this method or be scanners so what is the point of this on a 6 year old girl - consider what you have done to her.
Thankyou

Anonymous said...

A lot of brave gripers here. I don't see any bravery in the lines at airports. Travelers must moo, moo, moo down the rows.

Talk is so cheap.

Anonymous said...

TSA is violating the American Consitution. The TSA is a domestic enemy of the United States of America.

TSA = Terrorizing Sovereign Americans

Defund the TSA. Save american and save money.

TSORon said...

Wow, I wish I had the tin foil concession here at the old TSA Blog, I’d be set for life after this one.

TSO’s are not LEO’s, please don’t go there. Administrative Searches do not require a search warrant. Not all terrorists are Muslim men. You do not have to fly, there are other options available to you. What works in Israel’s airports cannot work in the USA, stop suggesting something you know nothing about. TSA’s job is not to “catch” terrorists. “Profiling” is against the law, and it’s useless in this environment anyway. Children have been getting pat-downs since airports began screening passengers in the 1970’s, and you just noticed it now? I sleep just fine thanks, how about you? If you are going to quote the 4th Amendment you might want to try and understand what it is telling you. “Disgusting” is what happened on 9/11, get some perspective.

And on and on and on.

Anonymous asked ….
“"Pistole ... pointed out the pat-downs are not mandatory -- passengers receive them only if they opt out of a screening with advanced imaging technology."

Who's the liar now?”
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You are, but you already knew that. Look up the word “can” (I can’t believe I have to explain that to someone, geez).

avxo said...

Anonymous wrote: "Everyone whining [...] Deal with it. Its the world we live in. They can grope me and my whole family and everyone for that matter."

Let the word go forth... Anonymous has spoken. CAVITY SEARCHES FOR EVERYONE!!

"I smile when I get off of a plane that wasnt blown up."

Oh... well, I'm sold. Where do I sign up?

Anonymous said...

"let's start telling it like it is...profiling is the only answer if we can ever get over this PC crap. if it looks like a snake, etc. then there is a good chance it is one."
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This may be one of the most foolish things I've ever read here, and that is saying a lot. Presumably, when you say that we should "profile" you mean that we should apply more stringent procedures to Muslims or middle easterners, especially young Muslim or middle eastern males.

The problem is that your claim that "if it looks like a snake, etc. then there is a good chance it is one" is factually, demonstrably false. There is not a "good chance" that any given young Muslim male is a terrorist. In fact, given the fact that a large number of Muslim males fly every single day, there is an infinitesimal chance that they are attempting to perpetrate a terrorist attack. Statistically speaking, the odds that any given elderly white female will bring down a plane and the odds that any given middle eastern male will bring down a plane are roughly equal-- both are virtually zero.

Even if we assume that middle eastern Muslim males are significantly more likely to attempt an attack, you still have a little problem-- the last serious attempt on commercial aviation was made by a black African. Was anyone seriously arguing that black Africans should be included in the profile list before this? If so, how in the world would we distinguish between black Africans and African-Americans? Should TSA agents (i.e. agents of the government) be assigned a card with a color scale so that they could determine exactly how black is too black? Or maybe you wouldn't have any problem with this because you belong to an ethnic group that wouldn't be affected.


Sorry to let obvious, well-known, and irrefutable facts get in the way of your "common sense" racism.

Robert said...

I fly regularly out of Philadelphia, PA (PHL) and was one of the very first passengers to be patted down.
TSA seems to have a personnel problem in Philadelphia and I've had reason to anticipate problems - but not always. Otherwise the TSA people I've encountered in - among other airports - Denver and Ft Myers, FL have been polite and professional.
My pat down experience in PHL (Nov 2010) went surprisingly well. The agent was being trained so there were two men attending to me. The explained ahead of each maneuver what I could expect and there were no problems.
Therefore I was completely taken by surprise when that nut in California introduced us to the term "my junk" and equally surprised when zealots began believing that an X-Ray would make them light up like a fish off of the coast of Japan.
Of course the whole thing got politicized and airport security can't be discussed in reasonable conversation without using misleading terms like "groped" and "fondled". My advice to the people who actually think what happens in a pat down is sexual or even sensual is: your sex partners are being seriously short changed.
As far as this little girl is concerned I saw nothing disturbing and worry that these "viral" videos are so vague in content that no definitive opinion should be arrived at strictly by viewing them.
As someone commented in our local news medium at the beginning of all this bluster "I'd fly n@ked if it would guarantee a safe flight".

Anonymous said...

I will never fly again as long as this tyranny continues.

Our founders are rolling in their graves!

Welcome the new world order.

Anonymous said...

"I'd like to sell you this rock I keep on my desk. It keeps tigers away. How do you know it works? This rock has been on my desk for 6 years and I've never been attacked by a tiger. QED."
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You're wasting your time. The average TSA defender does not know what QED means. They only know how to repeat "9/11."

Anonymous said...

Still, you probably agree that a "parent terrorist" might try to plant "materials" on a kid.
In that case the parent should be watched as much as the kid. Both kid and parent would be very nervous just before the pat-down.
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Yes, but keep in mind that we should also be very wary about the possibility that someone may hide trained ferrets that are skilled in martial arts on a plane. These ferrets could quite easily be smuggled onboard and then a radio signal command could be issued to sneak under the cockpit door and attack the pilots!!!!!! This could happen!!!!!! And if you say it didn't, may I remind you: 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11!!!!!!!! Who cares if this situation has never happened? As we all know, the most important thing is that it could!!!!

Look, I can understand if you don't want to spend a couple of hundred million dollars on training cats and FDOs (Ferret detection officers), but tell that to the martyred victims of that horrible, fatal day. After all, who cares about all the people who arguably died because we were spending hundreds of millions of dollars (if not billions) on "increased security" instead of on medical research?

Ridiculous cowardice...

Orlando said...

I wouldn't like they to do that to my girl. Is it that dificult to be a little bit nice with children?

Anonymous said...

Well After being hospitalized, I am back on the road and the same old tacks. But this time I feel even more violated. I now am incontinent but still must ravel for work. Today one of those non-law enforcement TSA agent without a search warrant in violation of the 4th amendment) patted me down. I explained about the condition. Then he did his pat down he rammed his hand so hard then meeting resitence that I urinated on myself. Way to go TSA for another blunder and making feel worse about myself.

Please make me go into a closed room to have to show other men my medical condition that most men won't talk about. It is assuming that TSA continues this invasive procedure and protects right to do it through blogs like this. The basic fact is that I do have a right to privacy and your propaganda of blogging hear does take that right away. May EFF, EPIC and others continue the fight to allow US citizen to be free again with out being embrassed.

Anonymous said...

Why doesn't some grown up admit that the TSA is nothing but a billion dollar cesspool of incompetent government bureaucrats that shouldn't be running a lemonade stand? Technology can't replace a competent professionals, of which the TSA appears to be void.

What balanced and emotionally stable person would apply for a job where you are required to inappropriately and routinely touch same-sex strangers? Why would anyone be surprised by repeated stories of inappropriate fondling/touching or pilfering of law-abiding taxpayers? The only checks that should be made is of lawmakers that want to explain away government bureaucratic failures like the TSA..

Anonymous said...

The intrusive searches by the government - which is EXACTLY a strip search - and the option to have strangers touch your and your 14+ year old children's genitals and breasts - is definitely a violation of the 4th amendment. Police cannot strip search without probable cause or a warrant. The "reasonableness" of the search is clearly not there. If everyone was naked, then perhaps reasonableness would be upheld. The "rules" were just created by a government bureaucracy that has overstepped its bounds.

In the US, there have been 0 people killed in 49 years by an airline passenger setting off a bomb. If these scanners "only" potentially kill 6 passengers a year based on about 700 million flights a year (the US 2010 passenger total is 629,457,532). Therefore, over a 49 year period we would expect 284 dead from scanners and 0 dead from airline passenger bombings. The risk does not match the intrusiveness and illegality of the scanners and sexual contact gropings. An analogy: The Supreme Court outlawed handgun bans in cities. Since people die every day from guns (12,000 a year, most via handgun), this risk is much higher. But, the risk did not outweigh the constitution. So I expect 0 deaths will not outweigh the constitution.

What we need is for the airlines to offer a higher level of voluntary security. They can offer special flights where people can voluntarily subject themselves to strip searches and sexual groping. To conclude, the TSA will be brought under control and eliminate primary screenings that are illegal. When that happens, if you don't like the constitution, you don't have to fly. Take a bus or train.

Anonymous said...

I don't know if you are a US citizen, but in my country our legal and political system has the US Constitution as its founding principles, which several hundred thousand Americans have died to preserve these principles. Because of this, I kind of like that document.

I do care because the government cannot arbitrarily make up illegal and unconstitutional procedures. For example, the police cannot stripsearch people who are arrested for jaywalking or for littering. The Supreme Court just took up the case of a citizen who was held for 8 days and stripsearched twice despite proof he had paid a minor fine. The Supreme Court has also overturned the handgun ban in Washington D.C., which shows they do support the constitution over the security risk in that city.

So, I care because hundreds of thousands have died to preserve the freedoms of my country. When I see the government overstep its bounds, I will fight that.

I have no issues with accepting what it legally called an "administrative search" at the airport; I have issues when the search is illegal and unconstitutional. The legal methods have worked quite well for 49 years, and especially since 9-11. The stripsearch scanners and the sexual groping of children is illegal, and does not enhance security. We know the stripsearch scanners failed every time in Dallas/Ft.Worth testing, and we know that we have had 49 years of flights in the US with zero/nada/zilch airline passenger bombings.

I personally think we should profile all international travelers who are not subject to our rights, quite frankly, and that is the source of the only 2 incidents in the last 10 years. One of those incidents we knew about the guy but the US intelligence services bungled it bigtime. Also, both of these airline bombing attempts failed miserably so it must be pretty hard for airline passengers to even set off a bomb, much less bring a plane down.

Anonymous said...

Considering more Americans die each year from accidents while shaving than from terrorism, if you are really interested in saving lives we could pay for govt. funded barber shops and shaving depots with ER crews on standby for emergencies and still pay less and save more lives than the TSA has.

So with that in mind, I will keep my privacy. Remember when you were in school and studying the USSR and how appalled you were when you learned the Soviet gov. could search anyone at anytime without reason, take you in for "interrogation" at any time without informing family, etc. Lets not get to that point before we decide its gone too far

Anonymous said...

if TSA trusts no one, then no one can trust TSA. Not a good situation for a government agency to be in.

Anonymous said...

I think its going to get a lot worse. In fact TSA has only moved into one direction. Virtually each incident is worse than the last.

At the current rate of decline, within a decade people will be enduring cavity searches. TSA will eventually be armed and the TSA abuse stories of today will eventually be stories of passengers being shot or tazzed.

Think that is to extreme? Well 10 years ago, who could have imagined that people would be routinely irradiated, have their genitals groped, and be the subject of police brutality for refusing such?

TSA and DHS is leading this country into fascism.

We don't need terrorists. TSA/DHS is terrorizing America in a way that an Al Qaeda never could.

Anonymous said...

My family will not fly while these totalitarian measures are mandated at airports. This is a clear and simple 4th amendment rights violation.

Would you allow your wife, kids or teenagers to undergo virtual strip searches and enhanced patdowns?

Naked body scanners MAY NOT be safe for children, pregnant women and certain immune-impaired people.

Nobody knows for sure.

Remember that 30-40% of people going through naked scanners STILL GET THE "ENHANCED" PATDOWN, and another few percent get it "RANDOMLY"

Would you take your family through this?

I see airlines losing massive amounts of business.

Anonymous said...

Nothing is working in the security screening process. The public is outraged and airlines will pay for it.
It's intrusive, totally objectionable, and probably illegal in America.

* How can the current screening process be improved?

Go back to 2002 level checkpoint screening, get rid of 25,000 employees, and spend the money on INTELLEGENCE!

* What are your personal experiences with the air travel security screening process?

I experienced this "new" screening protocol in BOS, 3 months ago. I will not fly anymore, and have recently taken a 4000 mile road trip to visit my family and friends. None of them are flying unless absolutely necessary. My daughter in Boston changed plans for her Caribbean vacation next Feb, as she refuses to subject herself and 2 teenage kids to undergo this level of intrusive screening. We have agreed to ride Amtrak and meet up in the USA. Thousands lost to the airlines.

Anonymous said...

The TSA has gone off the deep end. Your choices are to be viewed naked by strangers, or groped by strangers. When I travel into the city, I'm not groped and X-Rayed before getting on the train, or before going through Grand Central Terminal so why do airlines get to subject passengers to this treatment?

In the future will they have Government Groping Stations at every street corner and at the entrance to every public building "for our safety?"

This is insanity. It's impossible to have complete and total safety, but it is possible to turn an entire society into a bunch of "Locos" jumping at every shadow and in constant fear for their lives.

Anonymous said...

AIT is designed to be an easier way of meeting the detection capability of a strip-search. Which is why it was first used on prison inmates in lieu of a physical strip-search. It doesn't only show objects. It shows strikingly detailed images of a persons naked body so explicit the images need to be viewed in a separate location and the image viewer is not allowed to see the passenger being screened because it would be considered violation of privacy.

Anonymous said...

I have been in medicine for 40 years and can assure you that the scans being used are dangerous to your health. Remember, these are the people that said asbestos was ok for use.

In the medical world we avoid any radiation exposure and only reluctantly subject someone to any form of x-ray. The radiation that is being used here was used by the dermatologist until it was found to cause cancer.

Anonymous said...

It will end when the TSA screening becomes so burdensome (due to the continued accretion of reactive patches) that commercial passenger air travel becomes impractical and ceases to operate in the United States.

The TSA Administrator will then hold a press conference triumphantly declaring "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED." And for the one and only time, a TSA official will be giving the public the complete and honest truth. Because the truth is that the only truly effective way to eliminate the threat of terrorist attacks on aviation is to eliminate aviation.

Then all the TSOs will be redeployed at train stations, bus stations, subway stations, and highway checkpoints. There they will administer the Homeland Security Genital Squeeze Inspection, to which all persons in the Homeland voluntarily consent whenever they leave their homes, in accordance with the Revised Standard Operating Procedure (classified Tippy-Top Secret).

Anonymous said...

Janet Napolitano, John Pistole and many of our legislators can’t understand why frequent fliers are concerned about the cancer risk from the x-ray scanners?

Maybe somebody needs to tell them that intentional radiation exposure to large population groups will create a public health hazard. Especially when the dose has been miscalculated and we don’t yet know how much, but it’s higher than advertised. SOME people will die as a result. There IS NO QUESTION.

Maybe somebody needs to tell them they don’t want their ourselves, our kids/wives/girlfriends exposed naked to some stranger or group of strangers in the back room, and maybe stored or transmitted (we aren’t allowed to know)

Maybe somebody needs to tell them that a growing number of people fear the TSA more than they fear terrorists.

Maybe someone should tell them that airport strip searches and massive pat-downs are a form of terrorism?

This is over-the-top hysteria to a infinitesimally small threat, that they are highly UNLIKELY to prevent.

Americans are being deceived by THEIR government.

What happened to America? How did it become a nation of Wimps?

Anonymous said...

Just another indication that we lost the war on terror. The Taliban was successful in forcing us to change our way of life. The airport experience has gotten absurdly awful and the erosion of rights in general has been devastating. They did what Hitler couldn't do: they struck our shores and forced a change of life.

Anonymous said...

Civil rights and liberties aren’t typically lost overnight.

They’re degraded incrementally over time, often with support of the people whose very rights are being trampled (in order to keep them safe and free, of course).
Just ask a WWII era German or Pole.

Do you really think it is okay for the government to review your library or internet records without probable cause? Is it okay for FBI agents to fish for criminal activity by spying on an Islamic worship service? Is it okay for government agents to demand papers for proof of citizenship when all you did wrong was fail to signal while making a turn?

Is it really okay for agents to video strip search citizens at the airport when other, less intrusive measures work just as well or better? And is it really okay for government agents to demand citizens doing nothing but vacationing to inform them why they're travelling…it’s none of their freaking business!

Sorry, but I prefer checks and balances to faith and trust that our officials won’t abuse their powers. As for terrorists just simply wanting to kill people, that demonstrates a real bit of ignorance with respect to understanding their motivations.

Terrorists have political agendas, and that’s why they do what they do. No terrorist wants to kill you simply because they hate you, hate your freedom, hate your way of life, or hate your religion. That’s a fact. It might serve us well to try and understand what motivates our "enemies".

Our government has a right, duty, and obligation to maintain safe air travel, but they don’t have the right to trample due process, 4th Amendment, or any of the other rights we enjoy as citizens.

Anonymous said...

There is no real way to validate what level of scanning is being done by the TSA. Example images on placards at the airport only show what the government want normal people and potential terrorists to see. If terrorists knew exactly how much scanning was occurring, they could adapt likewise. Therefore, it is implausible to expect the TSA to be honest about how high the scanning level is set. In effect, the TSA will feed the general public propaganda to stop the enemy from being more diligent in their stealth.

Anonymous said...

"Today technologies exist that neither produce images nor emit radiation" (para. 13 and repeated in para. 87). The discussion on the potential use of security scanners needs to be restricted to such technologies, as the use of more intrusive technologies cannot be necessary and proportionate.

Instead, any future discussion on common European standards for airport security should be limited to technologies that neither produce images nor emit radiation.”

Anonymous said...

Because people are new to this technology and unaware of its implications, I recommend the following changes to SOP, effective immediately. Otherwise, serious opposition overall will mount.

1. Scanning children under 18 is forbidden without specific PERMISSION of the parent or accompanying adult. Unaccompanied minors would need WRITTEN PERMISSION.

2. SHOW EACH PASSENGER the sample images and TELL EACH PASSENGER that it will show them naked, like the picture. Also TELL EACH PASSENGER "USE OF THIS TECHNOLOGY IS OPTIONAL". Make sure you get their consent, head nod or verbal.

3. Make adequate provision for OPT-OUTS.

Anonymous said...

Airport searches must still be “reasonable.” The 4th Amendment bar is lower at airports, and warrants are not generally required, but there are and must be limits.

A similar analogy would be the fact that a police officer can pull over a car on a public road on the suspicion that a drug-related crime (say trafficking) is in progress (and the 4th Amendment might not per se prevent a search) does not imply that the police may set up a road block and stop ALL cars, searching them for drugs even if it is probable that at least one of the thousand or so searched cars is carrying drugs.

I don’t think that virtual strip searches for all passengers are “reasonable.”

Anonymous said...

To my Congressman:
Reconsider the cost effectiveness, personal privacy, and health dangers associated with the roll-out of whole body imaging machines in airports.

This technology is disproportionate to the actual threat to aviation and the ability to detect weapons, explosives and incendiaries. It succeeds in detecting ordinary crime like personal drugs, however, this is not within the mission of TSA. Full body imaging is much more intrusive than necessary as detailed in several court's definition of administrative searches.

This technology produces strikingly graphic images of passengers' bodies. Those images reveal not only private body parts, but also intimate private medical details like colostomy bags. That degree of examination amounts to a significant -- and for some people humiliating -- assault on the essential dignity of passengers that those in a free nation should not have to tolerate.

Also, travelers are being herded into these machines without being informed of the function and implications of this technology, and not being informed that they may opt-out for traditional screening. Complaints are mounting.

Further, several renowned scientists are questioning the safety of these devices, as they employ X-Rays, which are inherently cancer-causing, and although the dose is very low, the measurements of their effects to humans may have been misjudged by a factor of 20-100 times. This may become a significant public health danger.

There is a mounting resistance to the use of these machines, largely from frequent fliers, and this is increasing screening times and necessary manpower to perform an increasing number of pat-down of the refusals. This will only get worse as time goes on and the public gets more aware of the details of this technology. This is a modest Christian nation, with many Puritanical roots and increasing resistance is to be expected.

It's time for some sanity when it comes to security.

DHS has shown that it cannot be trusted to protect the civil liberties of Americans. That's why I am counting on you. Please take action to protect the rights of your constituents.

Anonymous said...

We need to gather up all the raving, screaming paranoids who are making security policy right now, tuck them into nice safe cosy rubber-lined rooms for their own safety, and get on with the world. A little constructive paranoia is a good thing, but when paranoia reduces you to complete inaction except for gibbering in the corner, it's long past time to stop listening to it and start treating it.

Anonymous said...

"If we are to justify this to our citizens, we first need to know why it is needed at all. Are we heading down the route of using more technology just for the sake that that technology is available, and also, what extent will the technology be used for? I can understand that, in some cases, this should be a secondary measure, where an individual chooses not to be, as we say, frisked by a security official. But as a primary screening measure it is a very serious breach of our basic rights to privacy and is intrusive.

Finally, I would urge the Commission not to head down the route of forcing individuals to submit to a potentially degrading process without first understanding the rightful concerns of innocent travellers.

Of course we should be serious about security, but this form of blanket approach to technology has the potential to turn a legitimate security concern into an unacceptable peepshow for security industries."

Impact of aviation security measures and body scanners on human rights, privacy, personal dignity and data protection
European Parliament 21 October 2008 - Strasbourg

Anonymous said...

Let me see if I have this right.

2 million passengers per day (in the US only) for the past 9 years (since 9/11) equals about 6.5 BILLION passengers.

One nut tries to blow up a plane with explosives in his underwear which failed. (BTW: You can’t put enough explosives in your underwear to down a plane) and now OUR GOVERNMENT wants to strip search or physically pat down ALL AMERICAN travelers at a cost of BILLIONS of dollars.

Non-metallic weapons are bull. Nobody can get in the cockpit anymore. Maybe they could harm another passenger? Is this a realistic threat?

Nobody has been killed by terrorists on an American aircraft since 9/11!

Also - TSA (or DfT) has never caught a terrorist - ever!

Odds: 1 in 6.5 billion ? or less? the bombs didn't work!
Powerball 1 in 40 million?
State lottery 1 in 14 million.

I'm 465 times more likely to win the state lottery, than to be killed by terrorists on a plane!

WHAT ARE OUR LEGISLATORS SMOKING?

Billions to strip search Air Travelers, treat Americans as criminals, and cause additional preventable cancers?

Teachers all over the country out of work?
Cities & Towns going bankrupt?

What about the 300,000 killed in car crashes in the same period?

What's wrong with this picture?

Anonymous said...

"But based on precedents in which the Court has consistently held that a person has no reasonable expectation of privacy in public, it can be inferred that “traditional” camera surveillance will readily pass constitutional muster — unless additional technology is employed to augment the natural senses of sight and hearing. These artificial enhancements may violate some of the privacy rights to which a person should be entitled even in public space"

Kim, 415 F. Supp. at 1255 (quoting James v. United States, 418 F.2d 1150, 1151 n.1 (D.C. Cir. 1969)).

Anonymous said...

Chances are we will never see an "underwear bomber" again. It's proven that you can't pack enough explosives in your underwear to bring down a jetliner anyway. So why should we be checking the genitals of millions of passengers, when they will just blow up the security line, the train, a bus, or something easier to do? All that we will accomplish is to alienate the traveling public and put a few airlines out of business.

This accomplishes their goals, without a big boom!

Anonymous said...

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Enforcement of airport full-body scanning constitutes a direct assault against the integrity of the mind and body of the American citizen. As an intended or unintended consequence of Homeland Security, the loss of liberty, demoralization and control of the people should be recognized as the real culprit that should strike terror into the hearts of men. Once our freedoms are lost, they will more than likely not be returned.

This is not the free AMERICA that our forefathers thought out and fought for.

If you are happy with full body scanners and pat downs - move to North Korea or Cuba!

Blogger Bob said...

Ms. Drexel,

Thanks so much for stopping by the blog to clarify things for us and our readers. We completely understand how things can get distorted. Once the media reports on something, a story can take on a life of its own. Our officers read these distorted accounts and comments and take them personally, so it means a lot that you took the time to come to our blog and share the real details of your story and your reasoning for posting the video. I also appreciate your call for collaboration; our Administrator and other key leaders spend a lot of time listening to many different interest groups, and they have already seen your comments and deeply appreciate them.

Blogger Bob
TSA Blog Team

Sandra said...

"I was never contacted about this incident and believe he probably trashed the sheet of paper when I left."

If you have a valid complaint about how you or your children are screened, DO NOT REPORT IT TO THE TSA.

Instead, send an e-mail complaint to

DHSOIGhotline@dhs.gov

The OIG will pass the complaint on to the TSA and will follow up on it, while, as has been pointed out, the TSA will in all likelihood just ignore it.

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