Friday, July 2, 2010

Please Post Off Topic Comments Here

I have long allowed off topic comments. However, after many complaints from folks who would understandably like to stay on the subject, I am providing this post as a place to comment things that are way off topic with the current post.

I’ve added a link to this post on our sidebar so people will know to post off topic comments here.

You now have the option of subscribing to posts, so you’ll be able to keep up with the comments here if you so choose. So it’s not as if your comment is being exiled to the land of forgotten comments. We’ll be paying attention, and you can stay up to date with an RSS feed.

As much as we’d like to hear about your synchronized swimming club, I ask that all comments posted here remain TSA focused and adhere to TSA’s comment policy.

Blogger Bob
TSA Blog Team

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Stan said...

Given the numerous arrests of TSA agents busted for stealing from passengers, does TSA have any tips on how to not get robbed by TSA when traveling by air?

Anonymous said...

rb said:
"Instead of disembarking the passengers and crew TSA in all of its wisdom searches for the bomb with all the people still onboard the aircraft."

where is the word bomb used it says threat not bomb. lets stick to the facts and not make up assumptions.

Anonymous said...

All the links to the "Contact Us" section of the TSA.Gov web site are giving an error. Your Certificate Authority is not recognized (perhaps they have expired?) You need to get that corrected right away. Can't get a phone number to your contact cneter with out being able to get to your site. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Andy hopefully this will help TSA doesn't have policies each location makes it up as they go. They say it empowers the workers but it really is just a way to test the American public just a bit Moore.

Anonymous said...

Caught red-handed again.

Anonymous said...

It amazes me the level of powertripping your agents show. Not all of them mind you. There are stars in every industry, but unfortunately, while your agent can speak in a disrespectful manner towards myself and other passengers, your screens continuously flash the sign saying your "agents have the right to be treated in a respectful manner" (I am paraphrasing that, but you have it posted here on your website I believe).

Safety is key, but honestly...the reason your not allowing liquids is to reduce the risk, because smaller amounts of liquids are less dangerous. Who came up with that statement. We have xray body scanners and imaging machines, yet you still can't tell water from another liquid? Water has known properties, as any first year chemistry student will gladly demonstrate for you. It's bad enough I have to strip to my skivies almost just to get through the metal detector, and I thankfully don't have a metal hip replacement, or am tied to a wheelchair due to injury. My heart goes out to those individuals, who I see routinely disrespected.

And while I'm at it, plan your scheduling accordingly. How can half your staff be on break between 7:30-8:00am on a Monday..one of the busiest travel days of the week. Plan your staffing accordingly so that the breaks are taken during the NON-PEAK hours. This occurs every Monday morning at MSP...and your supervisors just laugh it off every time I question the logic.

CeeJayVA said...

Media reports TSA is considering a trusted traveler program. Please consider the special case of federal government personnel who already have security clearances (DoD, DoJ, DoE, etc.). Those personnel wouldn't require a secondary check by TSA to become a trusted traveler; it would save money for DHS to recognize their homeroom organization's clearance and automatically issue them Trusted Traveler Status. This would also encourage their participation in the Trusted Traveler program, freeing up checkpoint lines.

Anonymous said...

In response to CeeJayVA comment on automatic approval of federal employees as trusted travelers.

Yes that's a great idea - let's make another whole group of federal employee's feel special by giving them a special and unearned entitlement so they don' have to deal with the laws like all the rest of us that are only American citizens. There's a whole big world outside of the Federal Government that exists in the same manner, just think of all of the police and other state and local government employee's and others that have the same background requirements.

The attitude that the government and it's employee's deserve special treatment is exactly why so many people are so angry and voting against anything even related to government. These entitlements have already alienated much of the American public - you remember who they are right if not just remember this they pay your salaries.

Anonymous said...

CeeJayVA is right. Already high federal officials can by-pass TSA security. Broaden the scope. It would speed up the line if only untrusted people were reviewed.

Concerned Observer said...

Anonymous said: "It would speed up the line if only untrusted people were reviewed."

How much more would it speed the lines up if WBI and swabbing were used only for suspected terrorists? Right now, the TSA screens the vast majority of people as if there is a significant likelihood that one of them is a terrorist. Doing this is a horrendous waste of money and manpower. Most of what the TSA catches is very likely in the hands of people who would use the items for their intended purpose as opposed to terrorism.

Bubba said...

It is now 41 weeks since the publication of an extensive article in the World´s most respected scientific journal Nature stating there is no science behind the SPOT program.

The TSA has not provided any answer whatsoever to this article, and the program continues, wasting and inconveniencing unnecessarily.

Anonymous said...

Legislation under consideration in Texas.

"A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
AN ACT
relating to the offensive touching of persons seeking access to public buildings and transportation; providing penalties.
(a) A person commits an offense if the person:
(1) intentionally or knowingly:
(3) as part of a search performed to grant access to a publicly accessible building or form of transportation, intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly:
(A) searches another person without probable cause to believe the person committed an offense; and
(B) touches the anus, sexual organ, or breasts of the other person, including touching through clothing, or touches the other person in a manner that would be offensive to a reasonable person.

An offense under Subsection (a)(3) is a state jail felony."

Welcome to Texas TSA!

Anonymous said...

There have been suggestions that government officials should be exempt from the screening process. This is a TERRIBLE idea. ALL people, including Napolitano, Congressional Leaders and the Obama's should be subject to the same abuses that the rest of us face at the hands of the TSA. That is the ONLY way to assure actual justice is eventually served in the US about this issue. When government officials do not have to face the consequences of their own rules, tyranny will prevail.

Anonymous said...

See our video of a PARODY of the TSA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyuItbsKDaE

HILARIOUS

If worried about viruses, go to Youtube and search Ringside quartet TSA

Anonymous said...

The video from ringside was pretty accurate the sad part is I couldn't even laugh knowing where it comes from. There's quite a bit of comedy out there about the slacker mentality of TSA including the 2010 movie She's out of My League, but I can't find the humor in the TSA. There trampling on our rights worse than any other governmental agency i can think. There continued existence is worst travesty's of recent American history so sorry but I can't see the humor.

A recent public poll showed TSA to be less popular in public opinion that the IRS that pretty much says it all.

Anonymous said...

Care to comment on a recent news report stating "The U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) released a letter to Transportation Committee Chairman John L. Mica (R-FL) that confirms the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has used faulty data and withheld information when evaluating and comparing the costs of the all-federal screening model and an alternative federal-private screening program."? Does this mean Pistole will reverse his position on no longer allowing private screeners?

Anonymous said...

bubba can we have a BIG party on special weeks like 52, 78, etc...

Bubba said...

I won´t have any parties, because reaching those marks will be sad indeed.

I can´t celebrate ignoring science in lieu of "we know better, because we know better, and you´d better believe us".

Anonymous said...

i agree with the logic behind this statement by the Director of TSA:"We want to focus our limited resources on higher-risk passengers, while speeding and enhancing the passenger experience at the airport,'' Pistole said in his remarks.

However since no system fool proof, The TSA must complement their intelligence based system with the monitorship of passengers during flight so that all deviant behavior is noted,evaluated and reported to TSA in a timely fashion so that appropriate counter measures can be taken during flight.

Various airline industry stakeholders would probably agree in principal but the various commercial bottom line issues could block its implementation. From my perspective the consensus building approach to new systems has been a roadblock to real progress against an ever more cunning enemy.

Njnaclerio@cs.com

Kathy said...

Question I cannot see an answer to on the website: My Dad in Florida misses venison from the Wisconsin hunting season. May I bring frozen venison with me on the plane and is there any restriction as to carry-on or checked bag?

Bubba said...

42 weeks have gone by since Nature, the World´s leading scientific journal, outed the SPOT program as non-scientific.

There has been absolutely no answer from this organization, and tax dollars continue to be spent on this program.

This is the same organization that decided that liquids are specifically dangerous, despite the fact that explosives exist in all states of matter.

This is the same organization that uses ionizing radiation to virtually strip search passengers without any testing or regulation of the technology. And they do this despite the fact that an image cannot differentiate a maxipad from an underwear bomb.

Until when are we going to allow these people to impose upon us with no scientific support at all?

Kathy said...

Can you take frozen venison on a plane from Green Bay to Tampa? If so, should it be carry on or in checked baggage?

Anonymous said...

bubba said:
"
Until when are we going to allow these people to impose upon us with no scientific support at all?"

i think you should go after all govt agencies that dont use science to support their polices. lets start with the irs seeing that its tax season; what does science say about taxes? what does science say about the effects of a liquid based explosive on the hull of an airplane at 30000ft when smuggled on board by a terriorist in his/her person? it hasnt happened but id like to know the scientific facts before i get on board in case a copy-cat should try and recreate the events of dec 25th 2009.

GSOLTSO said...

Kathy says - "Can you take frozen venison on a plane from Green Bay to Tampa? If so, should it be carry on or in checked baggage?"

Kathy, frozen venison is ok to transport with you. I suggest you transport it in checked baggage as it may be easier for you. Have a nice trip and enjoy the venison!

West
TSA Blog Team

Anonymous said...

Well I am assuming this is very off topic in this area but I am flying on Monday (First time).
and I take a few different types of over the counter medications and prescription medications as well, I am assuming these are fine to keep in my purse to take on the plane?

Anonymous said...

During the last several months I have seen countless specific questions about TSA actions and policies. During that time, the most important questions are always either censored or unanswered. However, the Bloggers are quickly willing to answer question about frozen food. Doesn't this once again show the utter contempt and arrogance that the TSA has for the American people and our fundamental rights and freedom?

Concerned Observer said...

You're way past time to update the Delete-O-Meter, Bob! Just a friendly reminder from your friendly neighborhood Concerned Observer. XD

Anonymous said...

Maybe she should have been putting spells on the travelers? Just can't make this stuff up...

Anonymous said...

It looks like it's OK to carry on tangelos (like oranges), but I'd like to make sure. I'd also like to know if I can carry hard-boiled eggs on a domestic flight?
Thanks.

RB said...

The TSA Blog, started in January 2008, has in this short time reached over NINE THOUSAND comments submitted by Citizens and Readers deleted.

This Censorship is being done by TSA and is clearly not in accordance with the Constitution of the United States. The Supreme Court has ruled that political speech cannot be limited by government and that is exactly what Blogger Bob Burns is doing here.

The TSA Blog Team individuals are all guilty of violations the Oath taken to Defend the Constitution of the United States.

I call for your resignations!

Bubba said...

We have now waited for 43 weeks for an answer to the Nature article saying there is no science behind the SPOT program. Nature is the World´s most respected scientific journal. The TSA is ignoring it for 43 weeks.

Bob, are you still looking into it? You said you were on week one!

Anonymous said...

I recently traveled from Ft. Lauderdale, FL by way of JFK to Syracuse, NY on JetBlue. At some point my bag was ransacked by TSA. I have no problem with my bags being inspected but whoever conducted this inspection went out of their way to leave a jumble in my bag and did not resecure the straps. It left me feeling violated.

Richard said...

To the last post about avoiding TSA thieves, which are seemingly everyone these days. I myself had sunglasses stolen by the TSA: Ask for a private security screening with your travel companion present. That is the best way.

Perhaps, even videotape the private screening. That's what I intend to do when I travel this Tuesday - if there is a scene in Seattle, it is me !!!

It has become a nightmare to travel - not because of terrorists, but because of theft by the TSA. I have had to track down TSA people to talk about the options to avoiding theft; I have had to read and study airport layouts to see how carry-on bags are handled through the various security options (pat-down or scan); what a nightmare.

It has NOTHING to do with security, the TSA is a jobs program. Europe has had far more security problems, and never had this system.

Anyway, the TSA is doing a good job of ruining people's travel. I wish vulgar language could be used here, because that's what the TSA deserves.

Anonymous said...

What do you have to say about a recent news report that a woman was forced by TSA, for no apparent reason, to undergo an enhanced pat down after she had already gone through security at LaGuardia Airport?

Anonymous said...

So last week flying out of IAD I had my first real experience of the TSA manually screening of my luggage.

Now I am all for more detailed checking on checked luggage if there appears to be an issue, but why can they not repack with more care or ask the traveller to come an repack the bag themselves.

I carefully pack a bunch of stuff including fragile items and some liquid groceries that I cannot find outside of the US.

When I unpacked I found all my carefully packed items all over the place; clothes creased and groceries leaked all over the place etc. ruining a good suit; and then in the middle of all that a paper informing me that the TSA had opened the case.

I really don't mind that it was opened, on the contrary its good to see a high level of security but why can TSA agents not repack properly or at least offer the traveller the possibility to repack themselves! If my bag had been repacked properly the leaking items would have just ruined some towels (easily cleaned)and nothing expensive....and I would have been able to actually wear my clothes on arrival instead of needing them cleaned and pressed.

Anonymous said...

As they say on the interwebz:

The consequences will never be the same.

You dun goofed.

You have stirred up a nest of Trekkies.

Aaron Barr learned (in an extremely costly lesson) not to tease anonymous.

You done messed with Wil Wheaton.

Doodz, he is star ship crew. Not some stupid non-LEO security job.

Now you done it. Trekkies compared to senate hearings will be like the iron maiden vs. waterboarding.

U stepped in it now. Enjoy.

Oh and yeah this attempt at posting was saved, recorded, witnessed, sanctified, glorified and saran wrapped for the truth tribunals after we are free again.

Concerned Observer said...

I have been following TSA related threads on www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-safety-security and have recently been rather shocked at the rudeness of some self-processed TSOs on that forum.

On the other hand, I would like to recognize gsoltso for his contributions there. He is as helpful as he can be (considering SSI restrictions) and has been polite and frank. Thank you gsoltso!

Concerned Observer said...

By the way... the Delete-O-Meter is (in Vegeta voice) over 9000! ;D

RB said...

RB said...
The TSA Blog, started in January 2008, has in this short time reached over NINE THOUSAND comments submitted by Citizens and Readers deleted.

This Censorship is being done by TSA and is clearly not in accordance with the Constitution of the United States. The Supreme Court has ruled that political speech cannot be limited by government and that is exactly what Blogger Bob Burns is doing here.

The TSA Blog Team individuals are all guilty of violations the Oath taken to Defend the Constitution of the United States.

I call for your resignations!

March 30, 2011 4:48 PM

....................
Perhaps I mis-read the Delete-O-Meter back in March. However if I did not how did the Deleted Posts jump up to over 96,000 deleted posts in less than a month?

Censorship by government is clearly a civil rights violation.

Why are my tax dollars being spent so Curtis Bob Burns can trash the Constitution of the United States?

Concerned Observer said...

There had been repeated censorship of my comments on the behavior of users on Flyertalk professing to be TSOs and then posting rude, unprofessional, offensive comments. The only supposed TSO of Flyertalk that had been consistently polite and considerate has been GSOLTSO ('grats, buddy!).

Is the behavior of TSOs on the Travel Safety/Security forum on Flyertalk acceptable?

I am not targeting any individual, simply wondering if the TSA doesn't care of its employees generate massive amounts of bad PR on a forum that is visible to THE ENTIRE WORLD.

Screencap taken.

Concerned Observer said...

As of 1/18/11, the Delete-O-Meter read "07082". How is it that it now reads at over 96,000?

Anonymous said...

Question - Is their a new policy by the TSA where you are required to state your last name when at the ID line (at the metal detector/Xray line)? When I gave my ID and boarding pass at SFO a few hours ago she asked me to repeat my last name. I fly one to two times a week and was never asked that. when i asked her if this was new policy she said this has always been the policy.

I fly about 125K miles a year and have never once been asked to repeat my last name...even at Customs.

Could you please state if there is a new policy. Thank you

Anonymous said...

"Perhaps I mis-read the Delete-O-Meter back in March."

The graphic of the fake 'delete-o-meter' was at 3691 on 9/8/2010.

So... If there were 9,000+ (OVER 9000!) posts a few months ago the amount of deletions rose astronomically during the period the TSA began regularly irradiating and manhandling people.

The delete thingee now says 900,000 +.

And you know what? Its all a crock of feces. It is just made up. That is the way the TSA operates.

Anonymous said...

The question on a new policy for repeating your last name? just remember not really any consistent policies at the TSA each agent get's to basically make it up as they go.

Bubba said...

It has now been 44 weeks since a Nature article saying there is no science behind the SPOT program was published. Nature is the World´s most respected scientific journal. The TSA has completely ignored the article. They think they are above science. Depressing.

RB said...

From a post on an earlier thread.

screen print captured to document TSA's illegal censorship of a public political speech on a taxpayer paid forum

03/12/11: Deleted Comments 8790

March 12, 2011 8:48 AM


Deleted Comments as of 04/08/11:

96161

What happen in 27 days TSA?

That number must approach or exceed all comments ever posted on the TSA Blog.

Something stinks at TSA!

On top of that it is apparent that not posted comments have been very much higher than claimed.

Anonymous said...

Please comment on the YouTube video showing a New Orleans TSO sticking her hands inside a 6-year-olds pants and rubbing around her full waistline.

How can anyone find this acceptable?

Anonymous said...

This needs to be investigated and commented on.

We are told that anyone under 13 years of age will not receive the "enhanced pat-down".

What happened in New Orleans to this 6 year old is despicable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQLUhh3tGZ0

Anonymous said...

6 year old girl groped then drug tested by TSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWExPhyPeZw

TSA Abuse or Protection ? -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzK9aL_L9X8

U.S. GOV puts 6 year old girl on Terror Watch List ( Is she on the new Assassination List too???) -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xBjIxDU1Hc

TSA scares and violates child’s personal space -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkjMPs1sLyo

TSA Discriminates against disabled people then violates rights to privacy -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXbCwlldqxI

Anonymous said...

Its not about security for anyone its a prisoner training program - and your the prisoner! More fascist social conditioning.

Anonymous said...

Why is TSA still fondling innocent American children? Was there concern this child had a bomb strapped to her rear? Is TSA allowed to use common sense under any circumstance at all?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba030UmbkCo

RB said...

Headline on The Drudge Report:

TSA STILL GROPING CHILDREN

Anonymous said...

It's hard to interpret this video as anything other than disgusting.

This is neither necessary nor justified.

Stop this!!!

RB said...

Congratulations to TSA for being named winners of the 2010 Jefferson Muzzle awards by the Thomas Jefferson Center for the Protection of Free Expression.

TSA won for for detaining a man who stripped to protest airport searches.

Thanks TSA for your hard work defending the Constitution. Just like you do here on the blog by your illegal censorship.

Anonymous said...

The agent searching the little girl should be fired and put in prison for assault. Theres no excuse for this kind of action. We all need to vote in November based on candidate support of this criminal use of government.

I will not vote for any candidate that doesn't support a complete restructuring of the TSA and termination of all supervisory staff that supported this current fiaso.

Concerned Observer said...

Time to update the ol' Delete-O-Meter again! I am very interested to see what the newest number shall be, after the most recent blog posting.

Anonymous said...

So why did the little girl receive the full, invasive treatment, particularly after having already been screened via body scanner?

After all, the ‘modified’ TSA policy was even publicly announced back in November, as in the USA Today article, “No ‘enhanced’ pat-downs for kids, TSA says.” It cites comments from TSA spokeswoman Kristin Lee who stated, “After a thorough risk assessment and after hearing concerns from parents, we made the decision that a modified pat-down would be used for children 12 years old and under who require extra screening.”

REK said...

Anyone who would allow their children much less themselves to be violated in such a way is outright pathetic. The practices of the TSA are unconstitutional and unacceptable!!!

Bubba said...

45 weeks ago, Nature, the top scientific journal in the World, published an article questioning the science behind the SPOT program. This program launched by the TSA, which costs tax payers millions, claims to be able to detect dangerous people through behavioral analysis.

The TSA has, to date, provided no answer whatsoever to this serious concern raised by an unquestionably respectable source.

This organization obviously thinks they can ignore science.

Anonymous said...

I am a LTSO with 5 years at TSA. I Have been off duty for one year recovering from a severe accident occuring in April 2010. Little to learn from passenger comments after veiwing your blog for the first time in a year. Passenger comments all read like the nightly news reports. Totally incomplete and less than accurate.

Anonymous said...

Bubba said...
45 weeks ago, Nature, the top scientific journal in the World, published an article questioning the science behind the SPOT program. This program launched by the TSA, which costs tax payers millions, claims to be able to detect dangerous people through behavioral analysis.

The TSA has, to date, provided no answer whatsoever to this serious concern raised by an unquestionably respectable source.

This organization obviously thinks they can ignore science.

________

Poor Bubba, They aren't ignoring science, they are ignoring you and the fact you don't get this is very entertaining to many. Tell us, will your head actually spin 360 degrees on week 52?

RB said...

Bubba said...
45 weeks ago, Nature, the top scientific journal in the World, published an article questioning the science behind the SPOT program. This program launched by the TSA, which costs tax payers millions, claims to be able to detect dangerous people through behavioral analysis.

The TSA has, to date, provided no answer whatsoever to this serious concern raised by an unquestionably respectable source.

This organization obviously thinks they can ignore science.

April 14, 2011 6:34 AM
......................

Bubba, TSA answered that question very publicly this week. Instead of relying on the SPOT program TSA chose to physically pat down a 6 year old girl.

And that was after an electronic strip search.

BDO's don't work and TSA knows it.

If they did TSA could make each TDC a BDO and resolve most screening issues right then and there.

The question is why is TSA squandering our hard earned tax dollars on things that do not benefit the public?

Who is benefiting from this?

Chertoff already got his payback so who is TSA paying off now?

Anonymous said...

To the - LTSO with 5 years at TSA. that's off duty for one year recovering from a severe accident.

There's a reasons all the passengers and the news and everyone else all reads and sounds the same it's called reality and the TSA agents and employees don't see that because there the problem.

It's like the old joke about how one out of every four friends is crazy so if you have three friends and none of them are crazy ? it's you.

the TSA and it's supporters have gotten so paranoid and so far away from reality they don't even see it anymore.

I actually had a TSA agent say to me wouldn't you be willing to give up some of your freedom in order to be safe? I just shook My head and said no I would rather be free even if that meant I was at a greater risk. The TSA agent just shook his head and said I'll never understand people like you.

I just said I know you won't that's what makes this so sad and put my hands out for my tax payer supplied government grope.

RB said...

It's been noted that the TSA Blog Delete-O-Meter count has once again been manipulated. So now no one knows what the real count of Constitutional counts of Free Speech restrictions has been committed by TSA's Blogger Bob.

Strange that for someone who took an oath to defend the Constitution, from all enemies both foreign and domestic, that he has become a violator of his oath.

Seems about par for the course for TSA employees!

Anonymous said...

A six year old really. The TSA only has one authority and one reality. To inconvenience the public and to waste tax payer dollars. Those who say give up some freedom for safety are fools because they are giving up liberties but not gaining any safety due to ineffective screening methods ie six year old pat down. TSA should be dissolved and the responsibility should be given to another agency that knows how to pre screen using proven intel methods. They should know before hand who is showing up ie airline reservations. Pat downs are used for searches incident to arrests to do so is illegal search and seizure because it is the government and not the border. It is time to start over and revamp airport screening and not deal with incompetence. Again the only authority the TSA has is the authority to inconvience the public.

Anonymous said...

Question for BloggerBob & Co.: Are you amused by the hilarious fake Twitter feeds like SpokesmanTSA or TSAagent who regularly rake you over the coals?

Anonymous said...

Well said in regards to dismantling the TSA and starting over. The only thing you left out was with all new people. The trusted flyer program and a minimal but properly trained and staffed security force would do a better and more effective job. The TSA does things the way they do for only one reason and that is to maintain there own ridiculous budgets and save their overpaid jobs. to ask them to correct the total failure would be ridiculous since it's there golden nest.

Fire them all and start over will save millions and be much safer also.

RB said...

I note that TSA censored an earlier comment about the story posted below concerning one of TSA's employees.

Is this the person you want frisking your 6 year old child?

Good job on defending the Constitution TSA, we know that you support free speech as guaranteed by your Oath.

.....................

On April 10, Bob Seashols, a Coordination Center Officer for the Transportation and Security Administration (TSA) at the Richmond International Airport (RIC) and an administrator for Atheists United’s Facebook page, took part in a coordinated effort to populate pornographic images, extreme profanity, and sexually explicit anti-Christian hate-speech on the Facebook page of Ken Ham, an internationally known Christian ministry leader who serves as president of Answers in Genesis-U.S (AiG) and the popular Creation Museum, located near Cincinnati, Ohio.

Bubba said...

Hey look! CNN has outed the super secret SPOT techniques! And they include singling out people who complain about TSA policies!

So SPOT is really not about science at all - it is about getting back at people who don't like what you do!

Despite all this, apparently you still plan to expand this program. Unbelievable.

Anonymous said...

So. Now I hear that we are potential terrorists if we appear arrogant and express contempt about the TSA and its procedures.
yes, I am contemptuous of your entire department (after all - I am shocked that on a moderated blog, we don't see more negative comments about the TSA - but its an agency understandably fearful of open discussion)... And yes, I am arrogant. Last I checked, I wasn't a terrorist.. but at the rate TSA would like to violate our civil liberties, who knows?

Hmm. I wonder if they are tracking the IP address of this submit, even though its anonymous...?

Anonymous said...

Do I understand this right? TSA has a Coordination Center Office to send pornographic material and obscenities to religious groups? What kind of terror attack would that stop?

If true, this seems so demented, but in keeping with TSA's past performance. I'd only be a little surprised.

Anonymous said...

Time to chalk up TSA as a poorly implemented reaction to a problem? Even Congressman Mica, whote wrote the TSA bill thinks so.

Anonymous said...

Are any TSA employees screened?

Anonymous said...

Wow! It is very disheartening to see the level of privacy that has been stripped from US citizens when a six year old is treated that way. If any parent had seen a person doing, (what a government agent was doing in an airport) on the street, to their child, I can only imagine the consequences that would befall that individual. I am certain that he or she would be registering as a sexual offender. This makes me sick!

Mike said...

I do a fair bit of air travel and I ask this question with only a hint of the sarcasm that you might be expecting...

It always seems that there are a LOT of TSA folks required to operate a screening lane. I just went through security at ROC and counted at least 19 TSA agents and there were only two lanes open. That seems excessive to me especially since half of them were standing around chit chatting with each other. And that is not unusual for all other airports that I fly through...especially Atlanta where most of the agents stand around talking about hair, makeup, fingernails, and flirting with each other. Disgraceful.

Anonymous said...

Its great to see that even the congressman that wrote the TSA into law wants it removed and says it was a bad idea. perhaps there is hope that American freedom will mean something again and the TSA will be abolished. Im not surprised I can't imagine anyone running for office coming out in support of he TSA given the amount of distrust and true hatred the american public feels towards them.

I sincerely hope the TSA remains only a bad memory within the next year.

RB said...

Anonymous said...
Are any TSA employees screened?

April 19, 2011 6:40 PM

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From your link.


"New Hampshire is one of a handful of states that have passed a resolution criticizing the new measures as invasive and unreasonable. State Rep. Andrew Manuse, R-Derry, has also co-sponsored House Bill 628-FN, which would make “the touching or viewing with a technological device of a person’s breasts or genitals by a government security agent without probable cause a sexual assault.”


Let's get these laws passed and start locking up these people who are violating our privacy and assaulting our bodies.

RB said...

Bob, wondering what number your going to make up for the Delete-O-Meter's next update.

I think most people noticed that its been manipulated severely these last few weeks.

Blogger Bob said...

RB - If we wanted to manipulate the DOM, we wouldn't count all the spam we delete which FAR outnumbers the comment policy violations.

Our IT guy added an extra number on accident, making the number over 90,000. That was over a week ago. He fixed it.

RB, we don't even have 90,000 comments total on this blog.

I do the same as I've always done. I add up the deletions and send them to our IT guy, and he updates the DOM. That's it.

Blogger Bob
TSA Blog Team

Bubba said...

It has now been 46 weeks since Nature, the World's top scientific journal, published an extensive article questioning the science behind the SPOT program.

This week, CNN disclosed that the program includes a directive to target people who complain about TSA policies.

Despite this, the TSA has not spoken a single word about these critics, and continues to spend millions in a scientifically unsound, vindictive program.

RB said...

Blogger Bob said...
RB - If we wanted to manipulate the DOM, we wouldn't count all the spam we delete which FAR outnumbers the comment policy violations.

Our IT guy added an extra number on accident, making the number over 90,000. That was over a week ago. He fixed it.

RB, we don't even have 90,000 comments total on this blog.

I do the same as I've always done. I add up the deletions and send them to our IT guy, and he updates the DOM. That's it.

Blogger Bob
TSA Blog Team

April 21, 2011 5:15 PM
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Yeah, right Bob!

Use that story for a while.

Concerned Observer said...

Alrighty, I'm going to assume my attempted comments on the child pat-down entry were deemed "off topic" and attempt to have it appear here.

If that is the modified pat-down for children, how is the unmodified pat-down (for persons older than 12 years) not illegal?

Ketch said...

Dear TSA bloggers,
You folks are going to have a hard time explaining this one:
http://www.menwithfoilhats.com/2011/04/x-ray-nation-tsa-pat-down-artist-charged-with-child-porn-distribution/

Nathan Hale said...

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20110423_Airport_passenger_screener_charged_in_distributing_child_pornography.html

Anonymous said...

I'm disgusted with the TSA and their policies. Writing legislation to protect minors from these invasive searching doesn't go far enough. Why only protect minors? I'd also like protection for my wife and myself!

I'm also disgusted with people who believe we need this ridiculous level of protection. Statistics will eventually show (if they don't already) that you're FAR more likely to be abused by the TSA than be harmed by a terrorist.

People need to wake up to the fact that the other people with them on airplanes aren't out to get them. There are no monsters in their carry-on luggage or in their shoes. The overwhelming majority of people on flights are just like you. They just want to travel with as little hassle as possible.

It's disappointing Americans are so afraid of everybody. I wish America would realize the things they're afraid of are the things which are LEAST likely to happen.

Concerned Observer said...

I can't say that I'm surprised, but I definitely am disappointed.
Tom Sawyer, the man who met with TSA officials after being covered with urine because of a rough pat-down of his urostomy bag has not been contacted since and in fact his attempts to contact the TSA have been met with a deafening silence.
You can read the article here.

RB said...

Seems TSA is going to hide behind the curtain of silence to avoid discussing the problem of the many criminals working for TSA including a screener who has been arrested for child pornography.

This TSA employee frequently gave whole body frisks to travelers including children.

Is this the security we want that the public is paying billions for?

How many other TSA employees are engaged in such acts or other illegal activities. Seems like something around 16 TSA employees arrested for various things in just the last few months.

Yet these people get to feel us up in a manner that would clearly be illegal in any other situation unless a person was arrested.

Final question, how can we tell the few honest TSA employees from the gang of TSA criminals infesting our airports?

Anonymous said...

Please establish a topic for comments on how TSA's policies may discrimminate against people with certain physical/medical maladies by requiring them to be subjected to full, invasive pat-downs virtually 100% of the time.

The TSA's Myths and Facts state:
"Myth: Everyone who travels will receive a pat-down.
Fact: (Updated 11/23/10 to show percentage) (Updated 3/30/2011 to include random pat-downs) No. In fact, less than 3% of passengers receive pat-downs. Only passengers who alarm a walk through metal detector or AIT machine or opt out of the AIT receive a pat-down."

In reality, there is a sub-group of passengers who are subjected to full pat-downs almost 100% of the time.

For example, if you are unable to raise one of your arms totally above your head (e.g., due to a recent shoulder replacement; severe arthritis; severe bursitis, etc.) you are considered to have automatically "opted out" and are subjected to a full invasive pat down. (This is a FACT to which I can attest from personal experience at multiple airports...and corroborated by many fellow passengers and patients with whom I have spoken.)

Another example of medical discrimination is the detection of certain types of implants. For example, an associate of mine is subjected to a full pat-down virtually every time he goes through AIT because of a 6" rod in his upper arm. Now why a person would have to have his groin probbed because of an internal titanium rod (that DOES NOT trigger the metal detector) is definitiely worth discussing.

Another example of discrimmination regards an associate who has a chest catheter installed for the administration of her chemotherapy. As with the other examples above, this women is subjected to a full pat-down virtually everytime she is required to go through an AIT, presumably because the subcutaneous port and its long tube to the jugular look like (to unsophisticated TSA observers) like some type of threatening device.

Then there is the whole issue of amputees and various types of prosthetics that automatically flag the passenger for a full pat-down 100% of the time...even with a physician's note.

As a physician, I hear about these issues at an alarming rate, and I beleive the issue is much more prevlent than TSA realizes. Furthermore, with the "aging of America", the problem will only continue to get worse as a greater and greater percentage of the flying public will become afflicted with these maladies. It deserves open discussion.

RB said...

TSA Blog, wondering what number will be made up for the next update of the Delete-O-Meter?

Anonymous said...

point blank...I fear going to the airport now due to all the quotes and stories I hear of how terrible the TSA workers are to the passengers who has to get thru the screening and such.

Frustrated said...

It has now been 47 weeks since Nature, the World´s leading scientific publication, criticized TSA´s SPOT program as scientifically unsound. There has been absolutely no response from the TSA, and the program continues, harassing and wasting money. In addition, we know learned that the program specifically targets persons who complain about the stupid measures the TSA adopts (though police?). How long are we going to let them get away with this?

Bubba said...

Interesting. I posted as Bubba above, but the post came out under the (rather appropriate) name Frustrated... It also seems we are now required to sign in with an e-mail to post.

RB said...

Former Miss USA: TSA "Molested" Me


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42809206/ns/local_news-dallasfort_worth_tx/




"But TSA spokesman Luis Casanova said Thursday that the agency had not received the formal complaint a week after the incident.

"What she experienced is the standard pat-down that everyone goes through," Casanova said.

The spokesman said the TSA has launched an investigation anyway because the video and stories about the search were spreading all over the Internet."

/////////////

So according to TSA Spokesman Luis Casanova TSA only launched an investigation because the video and story was getting attention, not because what happened may have been wrong.

I have to wonder just what side is TSA really on?

Anonymous said...

I watched them pat down a elderly nun in her full habit in Chicago - Miss America never stood a chance of not being groped.

So I guess it doesn't matter if your a nun a six year old child or Miss America or a man your gonna be abused and groped by TSA!

Oh unless you dress as a muslim thats allowed guess they have to be politically correct about something.

Anonymous said...

rb i LOVE your linked website through your blog name! these machines are so horrible that you choose to show male nudity to anyone that views your site INCLUDING minors, i would think that you would at least put a disclaimer page first warning anyone that visits it that there could be material that is deemed as offensive and that the person veiwing sucj material is 18 or over. this puts you and your webpartners in a whole new light. your just as bad and guilty as the tsa!!!!

Anonymous said...

Is there any information avilable on the mother who was detained and harrassed in Phoenix becuse she did not want her breast milk X-rayed and the superrvisor did not even know the TSA's own policy?

Anonymous said...

it has now been 3 weeks since i asked rb to explain his military history to see if he follows his own viewpoints and advice and i have yet to receive a response.
sorry bubba i cant keep it up to dat like you, i missed a week or 2.

RB said...

Anonymous said...
rb i LOVE your linked website through your blog name! these machines are so horrible that you choose to show male nudity to anyone that views your site INCLUDING minors, i would think that you would at least put a disclaimer page first warning anyone that visits it that there could be material that is deemed as offensive and that the person veiwing sucj material is 18 or over. this puts you and your webpartners in a whole new light. your just as bad and guilty as the tsa!!!!

April 30, 2011 6:48 PM
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That image is a documented accurate image from a TSA Whole Body Imager.

That is how TSA is looking at naked children and their parents when they are not feeling them up.

If it is ok for TSA then I see no problem since TSA claims the images do not reveal any body detail.

RB said...

Anonymous said...
it has now been 3 weeks since i asked rb to explain his military history to see if he follows his own viewpoints and advice and i have yet to receive a response.
sorry bubba i cant keep it up to dat like you, i missed a week or 2.

May 2, 2011 4:37 PM

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And I asked just why you feel you need that information.

Why don't you tell us your military history?

Anonymous said...

Does TSA honestly think it is a good idea to bring the employees children into the secure area, let children check boarding passes, and man the conveyer belt for "Take your child to work day?". Security is supposed to be a serious thing and the workers should have their full attention on their job and not their children. This should have been a SERIOUS breech of protocol. Quoting from the web page that includes pictures of the TSA's children doing their job "They also had children manning the conveyor belt that lead into the X-ray and on the other side of the X-ray and metal detector." http://meteorologicalmusings.blogspot.com/2011/05/mickey-mouse-agency.html

Did all of the employees children get a "pat down" before entering the secure area?

Concerned Observer said...

The fact that children were permitted to work at a TSA checkpoint indicates that the TSA believes there is no danger at the checkpoint. To me, that indicates that the TSA believes that it is very unlikely that WEI are going to show up at the checkpoint and that they believe that the checkpoint couldn't possibly be the target of a bombing.

If this is truly the case, there is no reason to have any screening of anyone at all at the airport... according to the logic that the checkpoint is so safe a child should be permitted to participate in screening passengers.

Bubba said...

48 weeks ago, Nature, the World´s most respected scientific journal, published an extensive article uncovering the lack of scientific support for the SPOT program. This program has since been ousted as targeting people who complain about airport security procedures as potential terrorists. We have yet to hear a response, any response at all, from the TSA.

Anonymous said...

rb said:
"And I asked just why you feel you need that information.

Why don't you tell us your military history?"

and i said:
"im curious as to when you served and if you were involved in anything that a person would deem as "wrong" and as to why you didnt resign on the spot as you say all tsa personel should do. i would like to know if you lead by example? or are you just on here to see your words in print?"

im interested in how hypocritical you appear to be, just like you linking your profile to your website, where you show male frontal nudity without any disclaimer that would warn anyone under the age of 18 that there is adult material on your website. you are doing exactly what the tsa is doing you and yet you condem them.

Concerned Observer said...

Blogger Bob said...

Take Our Daughters and Sons to Work Day has been going on for 19 years now and according to the foundation’s web page, it is designed to allow parents, guardians, and mentors to share their work lives with our nation's daughters and sons.

While what you read about or witnessed may seem odd, the children were not making any security decisions.

Thanks,

Blogger Bob
TSA Blog Team

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I rest my case. A child would not be permitted to accompany their TSO parent at the checkpoint if their was any real expectation of finding WEI.

Either the TSA needs to keep children of TSOs away from the checkpoint or the TSA needs to step out of the airports. The checkpoint can't be both dangerous and not dangerous.

Anonymous said...

"your website, where you show male frontal nudity without any disclaimer"

That is the image that the TSA has repeatedly said is family friendly and non sexual. You don't agree with the TSA?

RB said...

Anonymous said...
rb said:
"And I asked just why you feel you need that information.

Why don't you tell us your military history?"

and i said:
"im curious as to when you served and if you were involved in anything that a person would deem as "wrong" and as to why you didnt resign on the spot as you say all tsa personel should do. i would like to know if you lead by example? or are you just on here to see your words in print?"

im interested in how hypocritical you appear to be, just like you linking your profile to your website, where you show male frontal nudity without any disclaimer that would warn anyone under the age of 18 that there is adult material on your website. you are doing exactly what the tsa is doing you and yet you condem them.

May 6, 2011 7:02 PM
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Anon I will say it again. The image you are complaining about is a WBI image. TSA claims this image is safe for the cover of Readers Digest and suitable for viewing by children.

If you have an issue with the image then I suggest you take it up with TSA.

I don't believe I have done anything to give you cause to believe that I am a hypocrite.

So with that said I have nothing else to discuss with you, a person who won't even use a fictitious name so we know which anon you are.

Anonymous said...

Can't get through a week without a scandal? Tell us again about the type of people you hire.

Anonymous said...

anon said:
"That is the image that the TSA has repeatedly said is family friendly and non sexual. You don't agree with the TSA?"

it has nothing to do with what i agree with the fact is that rb has been on here complaining up and down about how inappropriate the image is and how awful it is YET he puts this nasty image on his website for anyone to see without a disclaimer to indicate what is ahead; male nudity. it has nothing to do with what the tsa has said at all. its all about rb being on here complaining nonstop about how vile the tsa is and he is doing the exact same thing. if he was such a moralist and was worried about fixing the wrongs of the tsa then he should be doing the opposite of the tsa not repeating in his eyes their wrongs. maybe rb really is bb NOW THAT WOULD BE FUNNY!

Anonymous said...

They want to spread the misery. Congress has no clue of the trials and tribulations of the citizenry with TSA.

Anonymous said...

Interesting comment on bring your child to work day blogger Bob however still wrong though. In 20 years of working in law enforcement we never took our children out into a patrol car and put them at risk. So your obviously dodging the question if your job is so safe and non hazardous that small children can be allowed to participate why do you exist in the first place other than to waste taxpayer money?

Anonymous said...

I want more facts, the numbers. Show me that the TSA requirements are working. Don't just expect me to take your word for it. How many actual threats has the TSA uncovered with all of the random searches they do? What percent of these random searches have actual reasoning behind them? Show me the statistics behind it all, it may be condemning and it might not but either way the country has a right to know.

RB said...

Noticed that the Delete-O-Meter just jump from 9,191 deleted post to 10,479.

That is almost 1,300 submitted posts that TSA has chosen to not post in violation of the Constitution guarentees of Freedom of Speech.

And TSA claims to be defending the Constitution when actually TSA is destroying our the Country given us by our founding fathers.

Heil TSA!

Anonymous said...

looking into what obl wanted to accomplish in the material that was taken it showed that he was trying to turn the people of the us against its govt. i have been on here saying this for months. look at the big picture the people that have nothing good to say about what tsa is doing are doing exactly what obl wanted. hes using our norms and values against us to make the govt react and inturn cause public outrage. please take off you tinfoil hats and think outside of your little worlds.

Anonymous said...

4 weeks and counting on rb and his hypocracy, lets here about your past

Anonymous said...

instead of complaining about how many posts are deleted how about giving the tsa some credit for allowing you to type your mind. how many other offical govt blogs allow you to negatively talk about it and get posted? how about the fact that they actually acknowledge that they delete posts and give guidelines. they could not acknowedge it and just delete them and keep people wondering why they arent getting posted. why look on the negative side? how about praising them for providing citizens with a place to come on and discuss the issues? and to those that put "screen shot saved" on your posts get a life!

RB said...

Anonymous said...
instead of complaining about how many posts are deleted how about giving the tsa some credit for allowing you to type your mind. how many other offical govt blogs allow you to negatively talk about it and get posted? how about the fact that they actually acknowledge that they delete posts and give guidelines. they could not acknowedge it and just delete them and keep people wondering why they arent getting posted. why look on the negative side? how about praising them for providing citizens with a place to come on and discuss the issues? and to those that put "screen shot saved" on your posts get a life!

May 13, 2011 5:09 PM
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It is against the protections of the Constitution for government to censor speech. Period.

TSA and its employees who operate this blog are violating the Constitution and their Oath to Defend the Constitution.

What kind of people are these that are so willing to violate the most basic principles of the United States?

I suggest that these people should be in federal prison.

Concerned Observer said...

"how about giving the tsa some credit for allowing you to type your mind."

Yes, let's take a moment to thank the TSA for not violating the first amendment of our battered Constitution.

If only we could get them to respect the whole of the Constitution everywhere and at all times.

Anonymous said...

It is against the protections of the Constitution for government to censor speech. Period.

TSA and its employees who operate rb said:
"this blog are violating the
Constitution and their Oath to Defend the Constitution.

What kind of people are these that are so willing to violate the most basic principles of the United States?

I suggest that these people should be in federal prison."

okay, just end the blog, period. let all the complainers go on their own blogs and post whatever they want. get rid of blog thats the easiest answer. sorry bb it has to come to this, or be thrown in prision... a once good thing now isnt good enough anymore so it has to be torn down. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!

ps 6 wks and counting on rbs background and still not a word, do you work for the tsa?

Bubba said...

It has now been 49 week since Nature, the world's most respected scientific publication, published an extensive number concluding there is no scientific support for the SPOT program. This has been completely ignored by the TSA.

This organization seems to have no respect for scientific evidence, or for us the people, either.

Anonymous said...

4th Amendment folks. Over the clothes is a misdemeanor; under the clothes is a felony.

Papa Ray said...

Why are not the latest (newer) comments showing?

RB said...

okay, just end the blog, period. let all the complainers go on their own blogs and post whatever they want. get rid of blog thats the easiest answer. sorry bb it has to come to this, or be thrown in prision... a once good thing now isnt good enough anymore so it has to be torn down. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!

ps 6 wks and counting on rbs background and still not a word, do you work for the tsa?

May 14, 2011 6:42 PM
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TSA has the choice to either comply with the Constitution or shut the blog down. That in my opinion are the only choices if TSA and its employees are honorable.

You will be waiting until your die of natural causes before I tell you about my background.

It's kinda like me asking TSA and its blog team to honor the Constitution isn't it, they don't and I won't respond to your demands.

If you have the ambition you can find what you seek in previous postings to the TSA blog.

Houston Massage said...

Well, personally I don't mind being patted down. However, I dont' see why they have to pat you down after doing the body scan. I thought that was supposed to catch more than metal detectors

RB said...

http://www.propublica.org/article/scientists-cast-doubt-on-tsa-tests-of-full-body-scanners

Scientists Cast Doubt on TSA Tests of Full-Body Scanners

by Michael Grabell,ProPublica, May 16, 2011, 2:11 p.m.

The Transportation Security Administration says its full-body X-ray scanners are safe and that radiation from a scan is equivalent to what's received in about two minutes of flying. The company that makes them says it's safer than eating a banana.

But some scientists with expertise in imaging and cancer say the evidence made public to support those claims is unreliable.

Anonymous said...

Houston Massage,

The aim of the scanners is to give money to people who own shares in the company, not to make us any safer or our way through the checkpoint any easier.

RB said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I99q3dOB8bQ


Bob, the TSA employee, a 3 stripper tells the person they cannot video the screening of Bob Ditka.

Why is this employee misinformed on what can be recorded?

What corrective action will be taken to stop the abuse of civil rights by TSA employees?

Anonymous said...

Why are you sticking you hands inside Bob Ditka´s pants?

Anonymous said...

Will TSA take care of their own? What would happen to most of us?

Anonymous said...

A road show is on the way. As truckers carry cash due to costs of fuel, we can expect confiscation of funds, no doubt.

Anonymous said...

And these people are 'Security'?

Tim S said...

When someone packs liquid items inside a ziplock bag in their checked bag it is to prevent leaks. It would have been nice if TSA in Orlando would have finished the inspection job by actually finishing the Job and putting things back where they found them. Thank you very little for the mess!

Anonymous said...

You guys should move the Can I bring box to the top on the home page. I fly often and check this website but never found it until I called the contact center and they told me about it. People would be able to do alot better searches on the site if you made it more noticeable. You should also make ID options more noticeable on the site as well. I lost my id and the contact center walked me too it. Most people never see the frequently asked questions.

Anonymous said...

"Will TSA take care of their own? What would happen to most of us?"

I'm a police officer at a major airport. Anyone here that's arrested for having an undeclared gun in their carry-on bag is subject to a Misdemeanor charge. It doesn't sound like the TSA employee in your news story got any preferential treatment.

Anonymous said...

"I'm a police officer at a major airport."

I guess you're not in Austin.

Anonymous said...

Mission creep? This fails in so many ways.

Anonymous said...

Ive finally come up with the greatest thing about the Constitutional bloggers on here!!!!
First you started talking about the 4th Amendment and illegal searchs. So basically its illegal to post signs and detailed info in front of security letting you know what might occur while you go through. i.e. you could be searched; person and/or property. So you voluntarily keep going knowing what might happen and then you throw a fit when you are searched. The signs are there and you can leave before YOU chose to keep going asnf you want to complain about it and how its un COnstitutional for you to go through this.
So now we come to the 1st Amendment bloggers about how no comments should be deleted or edited. This is just like my previous example... You come on the blog there is a spot that says what will be deleted per blog rules and then you complain and throw a fit because blogs are deleted.
This is insane! You see it, you read it, you know about it, and then you still go ahead and do ity and then when thge tsa does what they are what they warned you could happen they do it. What dont you get!?!?!?!?!?!?! PLEASE SHUT THIS PLACE DOWN!!! STOP THE INSANITY!!!

Bubba said...

Today is a very sad day. Today marks the first anniversary of an extensive article in the World's top scientific journal Nature investigating the science behind TSA's SPOT program.

Nature concluded there was no scientific support for the program. You would think the TSA would then step in and justify their program, or consider this data and discontinue the program.

But no.

The TSA has done nothing. They are aware of the article, as indicated by Blogger Bob, here, but they have completely ignored it. I believe they wish it would just be forgotten so they can continue as they want.

It is very sad, and a blatant example of this organization's complete disregard for science, logic, and open discussion.

Concerned Observer said...

'Tis about time to update the Delete-O-Meter again! Thank you for doing it last time I mentioned this (kindly).

Bubba said...

Today it has been a year and a week since Nature published an extensive article researching the scientific basis to the SPOT program. They found none. Yet the TSA still applies this voodoo-science program regularly, harassing passengers needlessly, and, with retaliatory intent, specifically targeting those who complain about security.

No answer whatsoever has been offered by the TSA to the Nature article.

Shameless.

Anonymous said...

I just viewed the latest TSA video. It makes me wonder how many people go through this treatment when there is no camera present. But, it is easy to understand why TSA personnel lie about camera use.

So, a traveller can no longer get police help if they feel victimised in a public place if the area is occupied by TSA staff? Where does that "rule" come from?

Anonymous said...

When will the TSA start a training program explaining the laws about filming to its agents, instead of encouraging them to lie?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/video-woman-screams-for-help-after-tsa-molestation.html

RB said...

Another accused TSA Pervert getting to feel up children and adults that TSA calls screening.


http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/dewitt_man_charged_with_molest.html


"David J. Blom, 49, of 435 Radcliffe Road, is being held in jail with bail set at $10,000 cash or $40,000 bond. He is facing two felony counts of second-degree course of sexual conduct against a child."

"Jeschke said Blom has been employed in airport security by the Transportation Security Administration for the past eight years and is active in St. David's Church."

Anonymous said...

rb said:
"Another accused TSA Pervert getting to feel up children and adults that TSA calls screening.


http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/dewitt_man_charged_with_molest.html


"David J. Blom, 49, of 435 Radcliffe Road, is being held in jail with bail set at $10,000 cash or $40,000 bond. He is facing two felony counts of second-degree course of sexual conduct against a child."

"Jeschke said Blom has been employed in airport security by the Transportation Security Administration for the past eight years and is active in St. David's Church.""

wow whos more at fault for this one the tsa or the church? i cant believe that someone that goes to church would do such a thing!?!?!?! get any tsa agent that goes to a church and fire them! based on your morals rb i have to think that we are in agreement on this one right buddy! power to the people!!!

Concerned Observer said...

Anon, I'm pretty sure that RP was pointing out the "eight years" employment with the TSA, not that he was associated with a church.

Anonymous said...

Concerned Observer said:
"Anon, I'm pretty sure that RP was pointing out the "eight years" employment with the TSA, not that he was associated with a church."

are you sure? he talks about morality all the time on here and how tsa people should quit their jobs because its morally wrong. kinda like its morally wrong to show children naked pictures of men on your website when you scream from the high heavens how the pictures are pornographic. says that the tsa says they are fine doesnt cut it. dont duplicate the same wrongs that you are complaining about.

RB said...

wow whos more at fault for this one the tsa or the church? i cant believe that someone that goes to church would do such a thing!?!?!?! get any tsa agent that goes to a church and fire them! based on your morals rb i have to think that we are in agreement on this one right buddy! power to the people!!!

June 3, 2011 6:12 PM
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Anon, had you bothered to follow the link provided you would have seen that those were not my words but the words, and I did use quotes, of the writer of the article.

Concerned Observer said...

RB's site is not aimed at children. Indeed, it is aimed at (mature?) adults. Your point is invalid on that.

He is making the pictures more easily found for those who are looking for them. It is, however, highly unlikely that anyone who does not want to see them to see them.

I see your point about the "RB says they're pornographic and immoral but he has them on his website," and I believe it is unnecessary for him to have them on his site. A simple google search yields the same pictures.

On the other hand, RB does have a point. Why is the TSA using such explicit images for passengers when airport employees are almost 100% unscreened on a regular basis?

Anonymous said...

Bob,

Please explain why you removed a neck brace and strip-searched an elderly woman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guwy-kdwO2A

Anonymous said...

Congratulations Bob! You and your blog made it to the top of Time magazine´s "blogs we could do without".

Anonymous said...

Does the TSA claim the authority to require a passenger to disrobe and be searched while naked?
Does the TSA claim the authority to conduct body cavity searches?

Anonymous said...

I think the Congress is starting to listen to the people.

Anonymous said...

I saw something on the news yesterday that said the TSA is looking to deploy iris scanners at all airports over the next 5 years. The process includes a background check and a microchip embedded into your passport. Many other countries are doing this as is I believe an airport or two in Florida (I think they call it the Bluelight lane). It allows apparently very fast screening with no need of the body scanners or pat downs. I would be in huge favor of this. While some privacy folks might not like the idea I find it much easier to deal with since I am not comfortable with the scanners or pat downs. Can't help it I'm an old fashioned lady. Please tell us if they can make the iris scanners possible - it would make me very happy as a screening alternative.

Anonymous said...

Yep Time magazine recapped it well as one of the most useless blogs in America. Blogger Bob must be so proud - you have to be very dedicated to be less useful than rest of the TSA agents.

the comment in Time;

If you have misgivings about the Department of Homeland Security's approach to airport security, visiting the TSA Blog won't leave you feeling better. Spokesman "Blogger Bob" spends much of his time debunking myths that didn't need debunking and expressing a peculiar sense of humor. He also manages to ignore most of the questions raised by commenters — an unruly mob whose collective blood pressure seems to rise

RB said...

Dr. David Mandy: Special Needs Son Harassed by TSA at Detroit Metropolitan Airport
Updated: Thursday, 09 Jun 2011, 3:32 PM EDT
Published : Wednesday, 08 Jun 2011, 11:10 PM EDT

By TARYN ASHER
WJBK | myFOXDetroit.com


http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/taryn_asher/dad-special-needs-son-harassed-by-tsa-at-detroit-metropolitan-airport-20110608-wpms

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Good job TSA keeping that toy plastic hammer off an airplane.

Remind me, just how many toy plastic hammers have been used to hijack airplanes?

Anonymous said...

Another attack on the handicapped by government agents.

Anonymous said...

It's good to see congress cut 270 million dollars out of the TSA budget this year. Hopefully next year when so many politicians are facing reelection they will cut the rest o0f the TSA budget and make the TSA nothing but a bad memory and a footnote in the history books about what happens when a large government panics after a terrorist attack.

In a world of disappointment and loss the TSA stands out as one of America's biggest mistakes.

Bubba said...

Another week has passed and there is still no answer from this unscientific organization to the extensive and in depth analysis published in the World´s top scientific journal Nature saying there is no Science behind the TSA´s SPOT program.

Shame on you!

Anonymous said...

i have to agree with the Time article, especially the unruly mob comment. its funny that if this place is such a waste of time then why spend some much of your precious time on here and complain about not getting answers. just stoop coming on here. if people stop posting then it will go away and everyone will win! tsa will stop the first amd. by stopping the blog and not allowing citizens to talk badly about it. then i guess the Constitution will really be ignored and spit on by the tsa right? just curious is Time an independent magazine or is it owned by someone with an agenda? i love how another private company/industry puts down the govt and everyone praises it! why not just higher an idependent group to run the govt? then things will be great!

Anonymous said...

To the person that agreed with Time magazine that this was a unruly mob. Thank you I take that as a compliment. sometimes when the government abuses it role and forgets who it works for a unruly mob is exactly the right response. I bet the English tea owners called the patriots in Boston dumping tea a unruly mob also. I would even think it was a safe bet that somebody called the group of patriotic men creating the constitution that we are trying to protect and defend here a unruly mob also. So again thanks for the huge compliment.

Anonymous said...

Can't go a week without a major scandal?

Anonymous said...

Is this an example of TSA "professionalism"?

http://i.imgur.com/2DG4B.jpg

RB said...

Anonymous said...
Can't go a week without a major scandal?

June 15, 2011 9:39 AM
.................

Of course not, this is our famous TSA!

Bubba said...

Another week has passed and still no answer to the article in Nature (the World´s most respected scientific publication) saying that your policies lack scientific support.

Shame on you!

Anonymous said...

I recently flew through the Raleigh NC airport on my trip to Newark. I was shocked by the manner and attitude that an tsa agent who resembled the late singer "rick james" was confrontational with an apparent subordinate. If thats the way that tsa treats its people no wonder they are so rude at times.

Anonymous said...

Starting to eat their own? It looks as if TSA now seeks to entrap their own employees. Do we have a government setup to throw TSA under the bus before the 2012 election?

Anonymous said...

anon said:
"To the person that agreed with Time magazine that this was a unruly mob. Thank you I take that as a compliment. sometimes when the government abuses it role and forgets who it works for a unruly mob is exactly the right response. I bet the English tea owners called the patriots in Boston dumping tea a unruly mob also. I would even think it was a safe bet that somebody called the group of patriotic men creating the constitution that we are trying to protect and defend here a unruly mob also. So again thanks for the huge compliment."

Holy Cow! so now the bloggers are comparing themselves to the original patriots? talk about a big head! so are you saying that the tsa should start to increase security based on a threat from homegrown terriorsts that are looking to take down the tsa? great just what us travelers need some crazy bloggers that are looking to take down the tsa. please get a grip and realize that millions of people travel a day and go through without issues. the blog represents a TINY percentage of the American public. However, you have me very scared about what you are proposing! You do relaize that part of bin laden's mission was to turn the American people against the govt right? and you are playing right into his master plan. so to those of you that say that the terrorists are winning, i agree, but not for the reasons you think.

Anonymous said...

A correction to the recent statement on the whole point in regards to the unruly mob. There is a huge difference between disagreeing in a written forum about violations of rights and being a potential law breaker - Speaking out about what is wrong with government departments paid for by tax dollars is not only our right, but it's a responsibility in our type of government.

If you felt that my statement was a call to commit civil disobedience than I apologize for my wording. I plan to work against the TSA only in the approved American manner by voting for candidates that believe in my rights and our freedom. And by making formal complaints within the TSA system whenever I am mistreated.

And as for it being a very small percentage I think you would be truly surprised. I don't know anyone that supports the TSA's recent actions accept for TSA employee's.

The regular press is full of stories of the TSA's misdeed's. I also travel extensively and have the misfortune to be an amputee missing a leg something that seems to bring out both confusion and discrimination within the TSA in almost every city I travel through. In the last year alone I have been asked now on three occasions in three different airports if I could remove my Leg and walk through the metal detector again. I have also been told to get out of a wheelchair and walk through the line, even though I was not wearing a prosthesis. These actions show a total lack of understanding and a complete disdain for a physical impairment that is fairly common in our world.

Anonymous said...

anon said:
"The regular press is full of stories of the TSA's misdeed's. I also travel extensively and have the misfortune to be an amputee missing a leg something that seems to bring out both confusion and discrimination within the TSA in almost every city I travel through. In the last year alone I have been asked now on three occasions in three different airports if I could remove my Leg and walk through the metal detector again. I have also been told to get out of a wheelchair and walk through the line, even though I was not wearing a prosthesis. These actions show a total lack of understanding and a complete disdain for a physical impairment that is fairly common in our world."

i travel on a daily basis and i think that you and all the other negative bloggers would be surprised at the amount of support that the tsa receives. i understand your fustrations at the inconsistancies that you get in the screening process. any time that i have had this occur i have asked for a supervisor and things were resolved. i have used any information that i have received in my incounters with the tsa in any future incounters and its surprising how responsive they are when you describe past experiences. if you act with respect and talk to them as people then ive found that things go pretty somoothly. if you try and get into a confrontation then its a no win situation for you or anyone else, period.
as for trying to undermine the tsa, its a waste of efforts. its a govt agency that is a big bueracratic mess. changes occur extremely slowly and thats how it is just like any other govt agency. once you accept that then your fustration will go away.

Anonymous said...

The male millimeter wave frontal picture on the TSA website (What Do Officers See) is misleading for passengers considering opting out of AIT. A video, viewable on this blog, (1/27/2010) shows that a the operator rotates the image, the penis and testicles become visible in photographic clarity.

Apostate said...

Does it bother the TSA, even slightly, that travellers from abroad might boycott the USA, due to the well-reported antics of the TSA? The incident with the 6 year old kid was all over the TV in Australia. I was thinking of coming to the USA, with a tour group, but I don't like the prospect of being radiation-sterilized by an Israeli-built scanner or groped. Until things are fixed, I and my money will be headed elsewhere.

Bubba said...

Yet another week has passed and we still have no answer to the in depth investigation conducted by Nature, the World's most respected scientific journal, concluding there is no science behind the TSA's policies.

This agency ignores science.

Shameful.

Anonymous said...

Bubba said:
"This agency ignores science."

can you provide us with the govt agencies that listens to science? is the tsa the only one? how about the post office? irs? cbp? mint?

Anonymous said...

bubba said:

"This agency ignores science."

does the tsa completely ignore science or just what you want? are the magnets in metal detectors a use of science? are the xray machines that are used made from sicence? do the explosive machines used to detect explosives use science?

Anonymous said...

I traveled from DFW to FLL on American Airlines Flight 1494, June 20, 2011. When I unpacked my suitcase upon arrival at my hotel, my migraine meds were missing from the bag. When I packed them, I showed my husband exactly where I placed them, zipped them into the pocket and said that they will probably not make it to Florida. Sure enough, they were not there. But a card notifiying me that my bag had been inspected was placed inside. Although this was my first trip to Florida, this is not the first time meds have been taken from checked bags. You have the right to search passengers, but who is searching the screeners? This reminds me of mail handling in certain corrupt countries. Why don't you at least put signs up at check-in, warning travelers that all meds are subject to being removed from baggage at inspectors' descretion? Any action to address this issue would be greatly appreciated. Thanks ~

Anonymous said...

It's far time the TSA and Federal government acknowledge that what happened on 9/11/01 will never be allowed to happen again! Because the people of this country will not allow terrorists to hijack planes we will fight them! We will stand up and fight and if necessary give our lives to protect our families and country. That has happened on every flight where someone has gotten unruly or tried a new way to bring a plane down. It's a different world now we are not going to stand for it. The government needs to remember this and stop the excessive security that happens now @ check points.

Anonymous said...

anon said:
"It's far time the TSA and Federal government acknowledge that what happened on 9/11/01 will never be allowed to happen again! Because the people of this country will not allow terrorists to hijack planes we will fight them! We will stand up and fight and if necessary give our lives to protect our families and country. That has happened on every flight where someone has gotten unruly or tried a new way to bring a plane down. It's a different world now we are not going to stand for it. The government needs to remember this and stop the excessive security that happens now @ check points."

so we should go by marshall law? please remember that the tsa also does checked luggage screening for bombs. terrorism isnt just about taking planes over and using them as weapons. as the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber showed they want to blow planes up as well. you can say that passengers will attempt to stop them but what if no one sees them as they are doing what they want to do. the passengers on those to planes were lucky that these two guys were idiots and not successful at igniting there bombs. they could have gone into the bathroom where on one would have seen them and set them off. the terror that a bomb going off in a plane would cause would be extremely detramental to the US.
im glad that you are willing to step up to the plate and stop a problem on board but what if no one sees it happening?

Anonymous said...

In today's news we find the happy tale of a 95 year old, very ill woman in a wheelcahir who wears Depends being "apparently" strip searched. They made her take off her Depend and searched her for 45 minutes in a separate room. So disrespectful of our elderly. I wish people would just stop flying and also that people would complain incessantly to their congressmen and women. That is the only way this problem is going to go away. And I'm about sick of reading that the TSA never finds anything wrong with what they did to someone.

Dreama said...

I have a question with the newest assault on the most vulnerable of US citizens. This is almost the assault on a 95 yr old dying woman in FL. TSA Makes Elderly Woman Remove Adult Diaper - Woman, 95, was sick and in a wheelchair http://bit.ly/mfbs24 WHY can't common sense be used? I understand security, but this is going beyond. Shamefully in the USA the beacon of Freedoms, Liberties and Justice. SMH

Anonymous said...

Today I read the story of a 95 year old cancer patient who was strip searched and humiliated at the airport! Really TSA!? Then you claim you did nothing wrong! This story nearly made me vomit.

I hope America wakes up, stops taking ALL forms of public transportation and puts the entire transportation industry in the toilet.


Will you believe us then? Will you believe us that we're more willing to deal with terrorists than the TSA? Will you believe us then? I hope Texas flips you the bird and says "go ahead, shut down our airspace" and then watch the airline industry FREAK OUT.

Blogger Bob said...

In regards to the comments about the screening of diapers, our officers followed proper procedure and did not force the passenger to remove the diaper. While every person and item must be screened before entering the secure boarding area, TSA works with passengers to resolve security alarms in a respectful and sensitive manner.

Blogger Bob
TSA Blog Team

Anonymous said...

Hey Blog team! Where's your follow up to the TSA's VILE actions regarding the search of a 95 year old dying woman?

You know, at my job, when something blows up and there's a crisis, I have to work doing damage control until the problem is stabilized. Man, I wish I had your easy peasy job. I'm SO glad my HARD earned taxes are paying your lazy bums salaries.

Anonymous said...

While every person and item must be screened before entering the secure boarding area, TSA works with passengers to resolve security alarms in a respectful and sensitive manner.

Blogger Bob
TSA Blog Team


LOL - You don't get out much do you?

Anonymous said...

Still no response to the poor dying woman who was robbed of her diaper in a stellar DYWTFT stunt? Come on Blog team, you're asleep at the wheel. Or are you just having a really hard time spinning this one? Has the media become a nightmare?

This is vile treatment of our elderly, our young, and our INNOCENT travelers.

We are telling you TSA... we would rather take our chances with a bomber than have our genitals grabbed, than having our nude photos taken. Blog Team, TSA, the people whose salaries I PAY fix this nightmare NOW. Hear us NOW.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Bog: "...did not force the passenger to remove the diaper."

Using the CNN story as a presumably neutral news source, OK, you didn't make her remove the diaper, but the only apparent alternatives would have been for her to not fly or have your agent stick their hands down inside her diaper.

If she chose to not fly and not participate further in your inspection, would she have been then threatened with arrest like other people who have chosen to not proceed?

I read these stories and the sole image that comes to mind is Barney Fife. I'm glad I no longer have to fly much.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:
" if you act with respect and talk to them as people then ive found that things go pretty somoothly. if you try and get into a confrontation then its a no win situation for you or anyone else, period. "

It's best to speak respectfully and compliment your government masters. Don't make eye contact. In no way act as if you're an American with Constitutional liberties immutably granted by your Creator. The TSA particularly dislikes the latter.

Anonymous said...

It seems the TSA spends a lot of time on the very young, elderly, handicapped, while allowing others, that represent a more dangerous threat, easy access to flights.

Why is this?

Anonymous said...

So Blog Team, when are you going to give us some REAL answers on DependsGate? Do we have to wait another 5 days for that? Then maybe in another 10 days after that we'll get some information on why Olajide Oluwaseun Noibi was allowed to slip through your "MANY LAYERS" of security?

Like I've been saying all along you have broken process, your checkpoints are chaos, and it's because your TSO's are SO poorly trained. Blog Team, esteemed employees of the TSA--grannies are getting humiliated, six year olds are abused, the public is mad as hell and you can't even keep one guy who had an expired ID and a stolen boarding pass (actually 10) off a plane. An easy catch that should have been caught at your supposed "First layer"

How are those layers working for you? Well I can tell you they AREN'T working for ME. And I'm guessing the flight crews are getting REALLY tired of doing YOUR job.

Do you now believe your organization is a mess now? Are you going to DO something about it? When are you going to stop photographing me nude? When are you going to stop rooting around in my bra? When you stop doing that, I'll fly again. Until then, see you on the highways, because I'll be driving.

Anonymous said...

Why is the TSA now allowing high levels of Congress members to get away without being checked? It should not matter if they are high level positions nor average hard working taxpaying citizens. If they get on the same plane with us, they should have to go thru the same process as all of us do. This type of behavior is considered favoritism.

Anonymous said...

TSA has failed to demostrate to the American Citizens that they are a professional group of people. The reason they are not professional is the way they do their jobs. Harrass American Citizens, (Old ladies, children, handicaps, etc), and yet let people of muslim faith slip on by. Shame on your organization for allowing this unjust bias from proceding. On another note, people are wearing T-Shirts with the wordings TSA Nazi's spelled on them. When I see them, I reallize that that is what your organization has become, more of Nazi tactics to harrass Americans, while supporting your leaders motives. What is their motives, get U.S. Citizens use to your perverted tactics and humilation towards citizens, yet let muslims that are set to do harm to us get a free respectable pass from you guys. Its like you lost your guts to do the right thing... Shame...

Anonymous said...

I wonder if you TSA swore to protect the Constitution like I have swore when i was in the militray. We military can clearly see that TSA agents are clearly lost in not knowing the rights of Americnan Citizens. That is why your organization is abusing Citiznes rights every day. You need to read the Bill Rights which both Active Military and Retired Military members will one day havfe to step in and draw the line to put a stop on the erroding of the U.S. Constitution. Since the FBI has lost their Integrity, honesty to do the job to protect the U.S. Constitution.

missy said...

I appreicate all that the tsa does for our family and fie3nds each and every day.You keep us safe and protect us from those want to harm american. And for that thank you.You probably donkt get thank you very often and I feel you should. Thank for a job well don

Anonymous said...

Now that terrorists might hide bombs inside the body (they wouldnt before?!), will passengers be required to have their insides examined with some sort of surgery before flying? Will we be required to bring rubbing alcohol and bandaids to cleanse the wounds, or will the TSA officer have those things?

Bubba said...

Just a friendly reminder that, more than a year later, we are still waiting on an answer to the in depth article in the top scientific journal Nature indicating the SPOT program has no scientific basis.

Alexi said...

I'm trying to find statistics on the amount of product/liquid confiscated at airports per year?

Anonymous said...

There have been many incidents involving TSA officers stealing from people when they arent near their things. Taking them aside for a patdown and stealing their electronics and such.

What defense do we have against this. Many times officers will force passengers away from view of their stuff for whatever reason, and if the passenger objects, they are forced to have a more intrusive search (IE, the behavior of the passenger not wanting to leave their valuables is considered suspicious, and thus they must be patted down)

Anonymous said...

anon said:
"Why is the TSA now allowing high levels of Congress members to get away without being checked? It should not matter if they are high level positions nor average hard working taxpaying citizens. If they get on the same plane with us, they should have to go thru the same process as all of us do. This type of behavior is considered favoritism."

why ask tsa? why not write your congressman and ask them directly. they should be accountable for their actions right? ask them why they feel like they are above us. whay not ask them that why you tell them to eliminate the tsa.

Anonymous said...

Bob,

Looks like yet another TSO has been arrested for stealing from passengers.

You gonna cover up this one like the rest?

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2011/07/tsa_agent_nelson_santiago_ipad_grand_theft.php

julieah said...

Yesterday I boarded the wrong flight. I discovered this after someone else wanted my seat. My gate had changed and with only 30 min. to make my next flight,I stupidly neglected to read the signs. But my boarding pass was scanned and I was allowed to board,use the restroom and sit for about 10 minutes before I discovered my mistake. I am very surprised I was allowed to do this. Just thought someone should know besides the person who let me on.

Anonymous said...

No wonder TSA folks warn travellers not to take photos. They don't want the evidence.

A TSA agent can moonlight for an extra $100K a year? What a job!

Anonymous said...

Odd question ~ can I take a can of Easy Cheese in a carry on bag? My husband and I live in the UK and he is dying for me to bring one back for him when I come back from my business trip in the US next week.

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