Friday, July 2, 2010

Please Post Off Topic Comments Here

I have long allowed off topic comments. However, after many complaints from folks who would understandably like to stay on the subject, I am providing this post as a place to comment things that are way off topic with the current post.

I’ve added a link to this post on our sidebar so people will know to post off topic comments here.

You now have the option of subscribing to posts, so you’ll be able to keep up with the comments here if you so choose. So it’s not as if your comment is being exiled to the land of forgotten comments. We’ll be paying attention, and you can stay up to date with an RSS feed.

As much as we’d like to hear about your synchronized swimming club, I ask that all comments posted here remain TSA focused and adhere to TSA’s comment policy.

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Anonymous said...

I would like TSA to tell the public how many would be bombers, etc they have caught by these new methods. As for me as long as the agents can sexual assualt me with their pat down then I will never fly from a USA terminal again. I may go over to Canada and fly from there, at least they have respect for their citizens which is moe then what cn be said for the TSA system.

Anonymous said...

To the person above I would just keep in mind this is a rights issue as much as it is a safety issue. The concern is that when the government is given the right to virtually strip search us or touch our private areas, what is to keep them from using it in other areas of our daily life outside the Airports. Always remember although you may not agree with what someone says and think they should be stopped, many brave Americans have sacrificed their lives to ensure the right is preserved.

Anonymous said...

Hey, how does it feel to be an authoritarian?

TJ said...

@RB, JAS

Last time I got a TSA pat-down, the genital search was done with the back of the hand, not the palm. This is how TSA and police officers both are required to perform searches of that area.

Using the open hand/palm is not permitted although TSA has not posted that information, which is odd to me. There's nothing that the front of the hand could detect that the back of the hand could not also capably detect, and that's why this has been the procedure for many years in law enforcement.

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/inappropriate-pat-down-searches-during-an-airport-security-screening.html

I have to disagree with West's claim that the TSA patdowns are less stringent than police patdowns. Police patdowns are done in a few seconds and the police don't spend about five minutes massaging your back. I think the TSA patdown is engineered to waste people's time (in a situation where people have very limited time to spare) - to encourage use of the imagers.

Anonymous said...

Good news everyone! Airports can choose not to have TSA at their checkpoints. (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Amid-airport-anger_-GOP-takes-aim-at-screening-1576602-108259869.html) Bob, what's the climate like at TSA internally? Is it depressing to work there? So many people hate you guys and think you're doing a terrible job... would that contribute to a low morale situation and possibly explain why TSOs keep doing boneheaded illegal things? They just don't care if they do a good job 'cause everyone hates them anyway?

Post 9/11, people loved you guys, now that the panic has died down we're seeing how useful you really are - not very - and you guys are on your way out. This recent spate of negative opinion pieces in the media is only the beginning. The court of public opinion has already convicted you. It won't be long before the real courts dismantle you. I can't wait until this here is just another dead blog and common sense returns to air travel.

Anonymous said...

@TJ:

At November 17, 2010 12:15 PM, you said:
"Last time I got a TSA pat-down, the genital search was done with the back of the hand, not the palm. This is how TSA and police officers both are required to perform searches of that area.

Using the open hand/palm is not permitted although TSA has not posted that information, which is odd to me. ..."

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This is no longer the case since the TSA updated their pat-down policy. The new, 'enhanced pat-down' has been implemented recently, and those who opt-out of the AIT receive the enhanced pat down. Per statements made before Congress, the enhanced pat-down is intended to be as thorough as the AIT, which is certainly NOT the case with the old pat-down procedure.

We still haven't heard a response from any of the TSA reps to JAS's question.

Anonymous said...

"I want to know how to protect myself from individuals who refuse scanning devices and pat-downs. I don't want to be on a plane with any of these inconsiderate, misguided nitwits."

Take other transportation.

:)

Jeff in CO said...

What makes TSA think that terrorists must pass through their checkpoint to terrorize?

The whole purpose of the TSA is to create jobs and make the traveling public feel safer. You make a mistake by creating procedures that make us worry more about you than the terrorists. I will fly, but only when it is absolutely positively necessary.

Maybe the goal of the TSA is to reduce greenhouse gasses by reducing flights.

Anonymous said...

“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” Benjamin Franklin

Anonymous said...

Just say no to the Brown Shirts in Blue and opt out in order to preserve protect and defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.

Bubba said...

Although I am thoroughly enjoying the backlash against the whole body scanners and enhanced pat downs, I still have to remind you to keep you on your toes:

We are still waiting for an answer to the in depth article in the World's leading scientific journal Nature saying there is no science behind toe SPOT program.

Anonymous said...

To those of you who wish to be protected form those of us "inconsiderate, misguided nitwits" who want nothing more than to protect our rights under the constitution. Please feel free to stay at home and be protected by the nanny state you are wishing for.

The rest of us will be enjoying ourselves knowing the risks inherent to being a free people.

Freedom involves risk. Old Ben Franklin knew and understood this.

Kristina said...

This is more of a question than a comment: What are the rules for what I can bring for my 3 year old? I know i'll need snacks/drink for her on the flight and she is a typical 3 year old girl (never know when a fit/tantrum will arise) so the more the better for me to try and keep her from that. Might be a supid/crazy question but I was against flying and would rather drive (it would be easier with her i thought) but my boyfriend refused to drive 13 hours. Does anyone have advise/ideas on how to keep her entertained? I have a DVD player and coloring books but I never know how she is going to act in a grocery store let alone a plane :/

Anonymous said...

My respose to the Fact and myth post:

Myth: AIT is not dangerous
Fact: I am a multiple time skin cancer survivor and my doctor (from Johns Hopkins) has told me that I should not subject myself to the AIT machines because the levels of radiation may or may not be dangerous.

Susan D. said...

So, if the pat downs are non-sexual, why does the TSA do it with same gender staff. It seems they are default acknowledging it could very well be seen as sexual, and therefore the complaints justified

Anonymous said...

Bob, TSA is insisting that the WBI or aggressive pat downs are needed.

If the threats to commercial aviation is truly that severe then why should anyone choose to fly?

TSA is telling all of the world that our aviation system is just to dangerous to use.

TomW said...

Are TSA screeners permitted to wear radiation exposure badges?

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. Pistole. I read your comments in the media. All I can say is "Thank You." I applaud your extraordinary efforts in keeping us all safe. As long as you are on the job, I do not have any fear of flying. Please keep up your good work and I am sure that I don't have to tell you, don't let anyone challenge your duty! I salute you sir!

Yours truly,

Jeff Corbett

SSSS for some reason said...

Lets have a bake-sale to raise fund to by a bunch of these....

http://acornonline.com/product.asp?pn=14026&sid=ACORGBA&eid=GL200804

Pocket Sized copies of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. Then we can all give a copy to each TSA Agent we encounter when we opt-out of overly intrusive screening.

Anonymous said...

"This year alone, the use of advanced imaging technology has led to the detection of over 130 prohibited, illegal or dangerous items," TSA spokesman Greg Soule told FoxNews.com. The TSA would not disclose exactly what those items were, but it said they included weapons like ceramic knives and various drugs -- including a syringe filled with heroine hidden in a passenger’s underwear."

"A federal judge in June threw out seizure of three fake passports from a traveler, saying that TSA screeners violated his Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure. Congress authorizes TSA to search travelers for weapons and explosives; beyond that, the agency is overstepping its bounds, U.S. District Court Judge Algenon L. Marbley said."

Hey Mr.Pistole - you forgot to leave your old job behind. Heroin and hidden drugs are, according to law, OUTSIDE of your new jurisdiction.

Anonymous said...

I just read where a TSA worker at Miami International Airport in Florida was arrested for allegedly assaulting a co-worker who had repeatedly teased him about the size of his genitals after a training exercise with the new full-body machines. It is always stressful to fly, but it makes me sick to think of being groped and humiliated in front of hundreds of people. And I would prefer TSA not talk about or touch my husband's "junk" either. Will they even allow women who are menstruating to fly?

Anonymous said...

you can't ask that. A woman tsa officer at maui ogg was rude to me. when i asked for her name she turned away. when i called the manager, he said they are not required to give their name or badge number. all hail tsa.

Anonymous said...

I read a post on Red State that a charter plane full of returning military stopping in the midwest to drop off some national guard folks had all the re boarding soldiers scearched again. They had to surrender a pair of nail clippers and a gerber multi-tool. They were all carrying M4 automatic weapons and some were carrying M9 pistols. But nail clippers at not allowed in case they try to take over the plane with a sharp object.
Why not pull the condom full of ammo out of your butt and load your weapon?
Why not use your M240 as a battering ram to open the cockpit door?
Your policies are foolish.
[url]http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/11/18/another-tsa-outrage/[/url]

Anonymous said...

i think that airports and airlines will opt out of tsa, this has always been an option. it comes down to cost. airports and airlines are run by money so if they go back to private companies then the "bottom line" will determine what kind of equipment will be used. so look for out of date tech. to be used. i want my family to be screened by the best there is not by what can be used according to an airlines budget. plus arent the airlines being subsidized by the govt anyway? even if the tsa screeners go away the tsa will still be there to tell them what to do. so dont look for all of this stuff to go away. again my familys safety is more important than some ceo's dividends and golden parachute. lets stop the nonsense, if you dont want to go through then dont but expect you trip to take alot longer by another means of transportation. of course you could go private airlines, thats another alternative, they dont get screened.

Matt said...

If I am Federal Government employee on OFFICIAL Government travel am I exempt from these screenings if randomly selected?

Anonymous said...

Bob, are TSA employees required to identify themselves upon request?

Anonymous said...

In regards to identification they won't identify themselves unless they happen to be the supervisor. I ask for a formal complaint form every time the TSA searches me and they grumble about it and then finally hand it to me after the supervisor fills in his badge number as required.

complaint against the TSA go nowhere though they have people call you and tell you that though they are sorry none of the policies are formal so no policy violations have occurred.

Harass on TSA

RB said...

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/sfl-airport-scans-pat-downs-refual-20101121,0,5604032.story


"Once a person submits to the screening process, they can not just decide to leave that process," says Sari Koshetz, regional TSA spokesperson, based in Miami.

Koshetz said such passengers would be questioned "until it is determined that they don't pose a threat" to the public."


"That person will have to remain on the premises to be questioned by the TSA and possibly by local law enforcement. Anyone refusing faces fines up to $11,000 and possible arrest."



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When did TSA gain the power to detain?

Jake said...

After reading a good sample of comments from this blog, I feel really sorry for anyone who has to moderate. These comments are about as brain dead as reading the comments on YouTube videos. I think I will just keep to RSS reading this blog and avoid the comment section as much as possible.

Now for the reason I decided to visit the comment section. I wanted to thank you for the safe trip I had to Disney world recently. Security was fast, and uneventful. I was really nervous about security since I have not flown for about a year (last Christmas), and am looking forward to my next trip by air (this Christmas). Keep up the good work.

Jake and family

daniel said...

Please respond to this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news/

...and no lies.

George said...

Bob, I want to take my bow, NO arrows and broken down in 3 pieces, as carry-on.
Deminsions approx. 30" X 15" X 5" & weighs 5-6 pounds.
Is that possible?
(It's so small I don't want to pay $35 for the 2nd piece of luggage.)
Thanks,
George

RB said...

Does TSA Administrator John Pistole own stock in any company that has contracts with TSA?

Anonymous said...

Do TSA employees have to go through checkpoints when reporting for work, and if not why?

RB said...

Bob, I realize that finding topics to write about has been pretty easy the last few weeks.

I would like you to write about this: How does ticking off the entire population of the United States make the job of TSA any easier?

How does heavy handed screening as used by TSA gain the trust of the people.

How does making enemies of the citizens make your employees more effective.

The point is that few people will assist TSA with anything.

Doesn't that result in overall failure of TSA's mission?

Anonymous said...

One criminal had explosive in their shoe and TSA wants to inspect the shoes of the population of the world. One criminal had explosives in their underwear and TSA wants to see beneath the clothes of the world population. Is this sensible? Will TSA want to inspect body cavities of the world population after one criminal realizes that this option is still available to them?

Progressively invasive searching procedures that TSA implements as reactions to criminal innovations will never be adequate. This is easily proved with two questions. Is it possible for a criminal to bring aboard explosives or more than 3oz of gel materials inside their body? Yes. Is it possible to inspect the insides of all the passengers bodies? No.

Therefore, a new approach is necessary and the first step is to abandon the ludicrous idea that all passengers must be treated the same. A system must be developed; of screening based on the use of information technology combined with education of TSA personnel to identify risky individuals, of using varying security measures that are appropriate based on the risk associated with each of those individuals, and of allowing the rest of us honest, law-abiding, hard-working Americans to go about our business with minimal intrusion on privacy and schedules. It has to be like this. Look at the Israeli system which has already arrived at this solution after a much longer operating history than that of the US TSA. Do we really need to wait until a (hopefully would-be) bomber uses their body cavity(ies) to arrive at the conclusion that the current strategy is not going to work? Why do we have to go through this learning process when the final solution is so obvious?

RB said...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/21/clinton-tsa-try-make-airport-screening-intrusive/


WASHINGTON -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says officials should try to make the new airport security measures, including full body scans and intimate pat-downs, less intrusive.

Clinton says there's clearly a need for the tighter security. But she says the government should explore ways to "to limit the number of people who are going to be put through surveillance."

She says she understands "how offensive it must be" for some people to undergo the searches. She says there's a need to strike "the right balance" and to "get it better and less intrusive and more precise."

Would she submit to a pat-down? "Not if I could avoid it," Clinton says. "No. I mean, who would?"

She made the comments in interviews aired Sunday on CBS' "Face the Nation" and NBC's "Meet the Press."

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Secretary of State Clintion seems to believe that TSA is going to far.

RB said...

Demonstration of TSA's ability to handle large crowds.

If your traveling on 11/23 have alternate plans. You may not make it to your destination.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fmw01mAvkw&feature=player_embedded

RB said...

Question asked and never answered.

Are TSA screeners required to identify themselves if asked?

If they are why are refusals to identify happening?

What is TSA policy on this matter?

Anonymous said...

How can the TSA say that it is covering all bases when it is not clear how you will deal with elderly passengers who have to wear adult diapers, or menstruating women with kotex (young teens, muslims, etc) or people with medical conditions such as ostomy bags or urine bags? Do you examine these items for explosives? If you do, that is an outrage beyond belief. If you don't, it is clear that a terrorist could get through with such an item packed with PETN or something.Not only that but apparently he can put on a rubber mask as an asian man and come out looking like a white elderly man. YOU NEED TO SCREEN PASSENGERS MORE BEFORE THEY TAKE FLIGHTS. LIKE ICELAND DOES. ASK INFO AT TIME OF TICKET BUYING; ISSUE A NATIONAL FREQUENT FLYER ID...SOMETHING THAT AVOIDS THESE INVASIVE TECHNIQUES.

Steve Jacobson said...

Please reduce the size of your organization by an order of magnitude. I'm not complaining about your screening methodology but I can't stand how bloated your organization has become. Do you really need 65,000+ people including what Mica is describing as 3,500 administrators in DC alone?

Please take massive efforts to reduce the overhead and waste. Please.

Thank you.

V/R,
Steve Jacobson, Millbury MA

Anonymous said...

There sure are a range of opinions.. Happy Thanksgiving.

http://sharedreviews.com/article/tsa-full-body-scans-not-a-big-deal

Anonymous said...

Bob the crap you put up on your blog is about as true as the five o'clock follies were back in 'Nam....

Anonymous said...

RE: Urostomate who's appliance was loosened. As an Urostomate, I thought the agents were trained to understand what an ostomate is and recognize their appliances. tHIS SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED.

Anonymous said...

This comment is posted in an off-topic thread. This comment is clearly off-topic. Please do not censor this comment. All those other comments that are not off-topic should be censored immediately. Thank you.

There may or may not be a paradox in my post.

Anonymous said...

Is there more than one Blogger Bob?

RB said...

RB said...
Question asked and never answered.

Are TSA screeners required to identify themselves if asked?

If they are why are refusals to identify happening?

What is TSA policy on this matter?

November 21, 2010 11:10 AM

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Still waiting for the answer.

Reported incident at RDU makes an answer more imperative.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-safety-security/1151300-nood-warninng-preview-rdu.html

Mel said...

I have repeatedly contacted TSA via email looking for a written copy of policies and procedures when being patted down (i.e. what are MY rights as a passenger). To date I have received one generic form letter that came nowhere near answering my question. Where can I find this information on the TSA website? Surely if a TSA employee is allowed to touch my genitals, there must be a standard operating procedure in place. Can you please direct me to this information? I have opted out of the scanners repeatedly and am still unaware of my rights.

Additionally, your employees at RDU are a bit grouchy to those who opt out, screaming "I HAVE A REFUSAL" in my face and treating me rudely because I opted not to be scanned, when I informed them politely of my decision.

I filed a complaint and will file a complaint at every airport necessary until the percentage of "bad seeds" in the TSA start acting like professionals.

Anonymous said...

When I look at the information on the imaging technology, it is strongly recommended to remove your belt, watch, cell phone, etc to avoid setting off an alarm and subsequent pat-down. It would seem to be faster to just decline the scanner and go for the pat-down to avoid having to remove my belt and other items.

RB said...

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/tsa-responds-passenger-outrages-underwear-search-happen/story?id=12208932


TSA Pat Down Went Too Far, Agency Chief Says
TSA Administrator Says Search of Passenger's Underwear Should Have Never Happened, Agency May Rethink Protocols

"In recent days, several passengers have come forward to tell shocking stories about their experiences with TSA officers.

Thomas Sawyer, a bladder cancer survivor, said he was humiliated after a pat down broke his urostomy bag, leaving the 61-year-old covered in his own urine. Sawyer said he warned the TSA officials twice the pat down could break the seal.

"I was so embarrassed and so petrified of going out into the airport and people would see me and quote unquote smell me," Sawyer said. "My underwear had dropped to the floor and I'm standing there in front of them with my underwear and had to ask to pull it up."

Cathy Bossi, a long-time flight attendant and breast cancer survivor said the TSA made her take off her prosthetic breast.

"She put her full hand on my breast and said 'What is this?' I said 'It's a prosthesis because I've had a breast cancer,'" Bossi said. "And she said, 'You'll need to show me that.'""
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Is this what our mandatory security fees are buying us?


Bob, is this the professional agency you talk about in you rare resposnes on this blog?

I say we can do better and the first step is to fire the federal screeners!

Anonymous said...

It is hilarious to read the argument that Pistole uses for the justification of increased security measures.

The flights that you have mentioned, (in regards to the Christmas bomber and the Cargo Flights) all originated OUTSIDE of the U.S. What kind of logic is it to force outright crimes and molestations on passengers in the U.S., when the terrorists are all outside of the U.S.?

And you can say all you want about domestic terrorists, but there hasn't been an attempt since 9/11.

Pistole should really smell what he is shoveling to the American public....

Anonymous said...

I am absolutely outraged by all the videos of children getting patted down inappropriately by TSA agents. This is unbelievable! It's bad enough that they are patting down adults in inappropriate ways - but now children. The little girl that screamed and cried, asking the agent to stop touching her is probably scarred now and afraid not only to fly but of strangers. And asking children to take off their clothes in front of people in the airports and walk through scanners, unbelievable. As children, we are taught to not let strangers touch us and now we are telling our children to let these TSA agents grab you in inappropriate areas. This appears to be an opportnity for these agents to touch kids and adults however they choose. To the agents that are doing this to children, I hope you feel really great about yourselves, you are absolutely disgusting! You are ruining children's lives. This is so sad and makes me so sick. I hope something is done to those agents and I hope if it happens again, they are arrested for child molestation.

Veteran Sight said...

http://pptranger.us/tsa/

Anonymous said...

I think the AIT image of each TSO should be on display for the public to view prior to going through screening. The TSOs should have no problem with this.

Do not submit to AIT. The long-term effect is not known.

Anonymous said...

This is the real reason TSA is insisting on these machines:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-11-22-scanner-lobby_N.htm

This isn't about security, this is about money.

Anonymous said...

This is our right under our 4th Amendment - don't be desensitized by what is going on.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Written to you as a result of my 1st Amendment right.

Anonymous said...

Please comment on this story that made it to the front page of Reddit: http://noblasters.com/post/1650102322/my-tsa-encounter

pankywitz said...

I just to take the time to thank anyone on here who is working for the TSA. You put up with alot to save the lives of the same people who make your jobs so difficult. You have a tough thankless job and have been attacked for it by the general public. There are people out there who realize how important your job is and are thankful for it. It must be hard to see everything in the media bashing TSA and just brutal comments in various places online.

Always remember that you are devoting yourselves to saving lives. You are making huge sacrifices to do it. I know it is hard, but please do not give up. I need you. The people who make your jobs so difficult need you, they just dont realize it. The most important thing in life is the protection of life. You are devoting yourselves to that at huge costs. You truly are American heroes because you do it for little pay, no thanks from the general public, and (lets face it) not the best working environment in the world.

You are heroes. Thank you and please be strong in these difficult times. Saving lives is worth it.

Again THANK YOU!!!! I am extremely grateful for your selfless service. It might seem like no one is, but I am sure I am not the only one.

Anonymous said...

TSA - I am a retired Army Officer (LE) and am now a DA Civilian (LE) - I want you to know that every experience I have had with your team has been professional and courteous. You have a tough job and tough situations. Know that just because some folks have issues does not mean the rest of us do not support you. Good job & drive on!

Anonymous said...

Holt Continues to Question Science, Effectiveness of TSA Full Body Scanners
Monday, 22 November 2010 11:35

In August, Holt Urged Congressional Leaders to Freeze Funding for Scanners Until End of Investigation

(Washington, D.C.) – U.S. Rep. Rush Holt, a scientist and the Chairman of the House Select Intelligence Oversight Panel, Friday wrote the Administrator of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), reiterating his concerns about the use of body imaging technology, notably about potential health effects and the effectiveness of the screening to detect the full range of explosive threats known or anticipated to be used by potential terrorists.

Earlier this year, the Congressional Biomedical Caucus - of which Holt is a co-chair – hosted a briefing by Dr. David Brenner of Columbia University on the potential health effects of “back scatter” x-ray devices. According to Dr. Brenner, the devices currently in use and proposed for wider deployment deliver to the scalp “20 times the average dose that is typically quoted by TSA and throughout the industry.” Dr. Brenner has pointed out that the majority of the radiation from X-ray backscatter machines strikes the top of the head, which is where 85 percent of the 800,000 cases of basal cell carcinoma diagnosed in the United States each year develop.

According to Dr. Brenner, excessive x-ray exposure can act as a cancer rate multiplier, which is why Holt has urged the government to investigate thoroughly the potential health risks associated with this technology. In August, Holt wrote to the House Committee on Appropriations calling for a freeze in funding for any further full-body scanning devices employing “back scatter” technology until the GAO completes its examination of the technology.
“I appreciate the challenges we face in trying to prevent terrorists from boarding American airliners. That same background also gives me an understanding of why TSA’s current obsession with fielding body imaging technology is misguided, counterproductive, and potentially dangerous,” Holt writes.


[end part one]

Daniel said...

Why is the TSA acting like a bunch of whiny brats, and participating in the arresting of people who are clearly not terrorists? Stop it already. Just give up. Respond to this recent incident where a man was arrested for stripping to his underwear and a woman was started for filming it: http://www.indyposted.com/128555/man-strips-instead-of-going-through-another-tsa-pat-down/

Anonymous said...

Why have other posts been updated,, but not the opening holiday one? Afraid of the backlash? Afraid of national opt-out day?

Anonymous said...

It is my opinion that every passenger or shipment allowed on a commercial airliner should be scanned. It is not possible to 'pat-down' objects stowed aboard in passenger's internal organs (stomach, bowel, vagina). Any determined suicide bomber could easily and eagerly accept a pat-down assured that his/her mission would be carried out successfully.
X-ray scans that are in place are the only way to make commercial flight safe.

John M. Kirsch, MD
Wisconsin

Bruce said...

I would hope that the TSA will set up a special line for those that would like to opt out of being scanned and be pat down instead.
Travelers willing to comply should not be penalized by the acts of others.

Lo Tek Stuff said...

I understand and respect the need for some political correctness in the world, but why in the world hasn't the TSA gone to Israel's methodology of screening passengers? It's much more effective and far less intrusive than the current US policies. And, YES, Israel openly admits that they rely heavily on profiling.

You have to admit, far more countries hate Israel than America and El Al airlines and their screening WORKS.

Lo Tek Stuff said...

When I fly out of Canada and take off my shoes while in line for screening, the passengers all look at me like I'm out of my mind.

Anonymous said...

I AM NOT A CRIMINAL!
I AM A TRAVELER!

James said...

I am a frequent business traveler out of Atlanta, GA. So I want to say thanks to all TSA employees and administration for assisting in protecting our safety. I am not as sensitive to the new procedures as some of my counter-parts however; I have to respect the fact that they are upset at the newest procedures.

I feel most people are upset with the unknown…they have no idea at what is going to take place going through security. I feel this could be alleviated to some extent with a continuous video loop (in each security line) of how the new “pat down” procedures should be conducted. A step by step three part segment, upper-body, lower-body and sensitive areas; addressing the TSA agents process, passengers process that can aid a better experience and most importantly, how minors will be handled and what parents can do to comfort and aid their child.

If every passenger going through security is in view of monitors while waiting in line to load bags and items to go through security. Those individuals selected for manual checks outside of the scanning machines will have an idea of what to expect and how they can aid the process. A little transparency is usually a good thing…
JTJ

Annie said...

I believe the training should be revisited. I'm a 5'7" 30-year-old woman and I was traveling with my mother-in-law, husband and 11 year-old nephew to Boston for vacation. We flew out of San Diego and my nephew & I were the 2 out of our group to be selected for the x-ray screening. After we went through that BOTH of us were given a pat down. My question is, if the TSA is looking for suspicious travelers, what would possess the agents to both electronically screen the 2 of us and then a pat down. My first question is what was suspicious about a 30 year old woman and her 11 year old nephew and why the electronic screening and a pat down only to find nothing. Also, why not put someone else through that screening who is dressed to have something to hide? i just think the TSA needs to review all the training techniques and ensure the officers are upholding that when dealing with travelers. It seems that there are huge GAPs that are being missed here.

Anonymous said...

Any comment on your TSO who abducted a young woman from Hartsfield-Jackson Airport and raped here?

http://www.ajc.com/news/clayton/report-tsa-worker-abducts-751953.html

I believe that Officer BloggerBob said in another thread that no TSO has ever assaulted anyone.

Anonymous said...

I haven't seen my son since December 2008 because of the economy. I was going to see my son across the country, however, due to the unfair scrutiny and tactless nature of passenger screening, I refuse to fly. My son is over 2,000 miles away. I am no terrorist and do not fit the profile, neither does a 90 yr old grandmother from Topeka, Kansas, a member of the clergy, our very own pilots, flight attendants or a 3 year old child living in Omaha, Nebraska. Until this current administration and the TSA get with the program and fix this awful situation, the terrorists are going to win. They have more control over our country than we care to admit. Look at what they are already causing us to do!! WE, TSA AND OBAMA, ARE NOT THE TERRORISTS!!!

diricbat said...

Keep up the heat, dear friends. We are winning!

Anonymous said...

tsa's pizza box ad:

"A Career Where X-Ray Vision and Federal Benefits Come Standard," reads a TSA ad appearing on pizza boxes across the Washington region


Geez, do these people have any clue???????'

they are advertising the ability to see you naked to attract people to work for them. THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!

James said...

I am a frequent business traveler out of Atlanta, GA. So I want to say thanks to all TSA employees and administration for assisting in protecting our safety. I am not as sensitive to the new procedures as some of my counter-parts however; I have to respect the fact that they are upset at the newest procedures.

I feel most people are upset with the unknown…they have no idea at what is going to take place going through security. I feel this could be alleviated to some extent with a continuous video loop (in each security line) of how the new “pat down” procedures should be conducted. A step by step three part segment, upper-body, lower-body and sensitive areas; addressing the TSA agents process, passengers process that can aid a better experience and most importantly, how minors will be handled and what parents can do to comfort and aid their child.

If every passenger going through security is in view of monitors while waiting in line to load bags and items to go through security. Those individuals selected for manual checks outside of the scanning machines will have an idea of what to expect and how they can aid the process.

A little transparency is usually a good thing…
JTJ

Anonymous said...

Information about the "underwear bomber":

On November 11, British intelligence officials sent the U.S. a cable indicating that a man named "Umar Farouk" had spoken to al-Awlaki, pledging to support jihad, but the cable did not reflect Abdulmutallab's last name.[61] Abdulmutallab's father made a report to two CIA officers at the U.S. Embassy in Abuja, Nigeria, on November 19 regarding his son's "extreme religious views",[4][62] and told the embassy that Abdulmutallab might be in Yemen.[6][19][33][63] Acting on the report, the suspect's name was added in November 2009 to the U.S..'s 550,000-name Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment, a database of the U.S. National Counterterrorism Center. It was not added, however, to the FBI's 400,000-name Terrorist Screening Database, the terror watch list that feeds both the 14,000-name Secondary Screening Selectee list and the U.S.'s 4,000-name No Fly List,[64] nor was his U.S. visa revoked.[19]

U.S. State Department officials said in Congressional testimony that the State Department had wanted to revoke Abdulmutallab's visa, but U.S. intelligence officials requested that his visa not be revoked. The intelligence officials' stated reason was that revoking Abdulmutallab's visa could have foiled a larger investigation into al-Qaida.[65]




Because US govt let him on the flight is why we now have to suffer! I would really like a response from the TSA on this

Margaret said...

Dear TSA,

The head of TSA stated yesterday
that "FLYING is a privilege". It is high time the TSA understand that it is they who are privileged to serve the American people. It is the American taxpayer who pays your salary and for the Director to make such a statement is an insult to the people who pay him. Quite frankly I will complain to my Senator and he should issue an apology to the American people.

Anonymous said...

You cannot delete something that is not able to be saved, yet TSA continues to say images are "deleted immediately once viewed." So, then, they can be saved!

Anonymous said...

I understand about security. I find that what I am seeing on the tv is very offensive. The pat downs are seeming to be legalized fondling. Now the Radiation from the Monitors are bad enough but what is to be gained by making people so uncomfortable. I would get the name of the offending tsa agent and be on the horn to the ACLU. This is very intrusive.

Mark K. said...

TSA Statement from Administrator John S. Pistole

News & Happenings

November 21, 2010

... The terrorists allegedly behind the thwarted cargo attempt last month are out there bragging about how they will strike again.

We all wish we lived in a world where security procedures at airports weren't necessary but that just isn't the case."


Perhaps SOME security procedures are necessary, and not necessarily the ones that are in place. Perhaps more effort and money should be spent on screening cargo aircraft and less harassing the traveling public.

I wish that there would be a huge boycott of flying due to the new intrusive searches. I wonder if President Obama, under his "too big to fail" mantra, would then revoke these searches to keep the airlines from going bankrupt.

Anonymous said...

"TSA - I am a retired Army Officer (LE) and am now a DA Civilian (LE) - I want you to know that every experience I have had with your team has been professional and courteous. You have a tough job and tough situations. Know that just because some folks have issues does not mean the rest of us do not support you. Good job & drive on!"

Hear, hear! Just ignore that oath to defend and protect the Constitution!

Anonymous said...

Even if this was real security and necessary instead of being Security Theater for unknowing Americas to feel better - would the cost be worth this price?

Since when has security been a higher priority than freedom.

What would our forefathers have said then, and what would they say today? or would they like so many of todays Americans sit silently and worry about the rising taxes on tea.

When we live in constant fear and cower in lines while our freedoms erode in the name of modern need, is this the new American dream.

Anonymous said...

As an experienced traveler, it is my opinion that the TSA security is very laxing in any value.

I have many times seen employees of vendors inside the secure area bring boxes of supplies to the checkpoint. The employee gets checked, but then goes gets the supplies and bypasses the checkpoint.

I have seen courier company employees come in doors from the ramps and deliver packages inside the secure area without going through security. And I know the entry gates to the ramps do not have x-rays.

I have seen airline employees go from baggage claim to the ramp without clearing TSA then the same employee is seen going up the jetway stairs and entering into the secure area.

I have seen airline ramp employees inside the secure areas seeing friends and family off on flights.

Your claim that everyone is treated the same is just not true.

I could easily get a prohibited weapon through TSA.

The whole process is to make the uniformed traveler believe you are making it safer to flight.

Anonymous said...

I have a question regarding the full body scans. I work in a hospital and as part of my job, I am required to participate in vidoeflouroscopic studies that involve being exposed to radiation. Our radiation levels are monitored every month with badges. Since we do not carry our badges with us on trips, how can we be sure that the full body scans do not push us past the threshold of what is acceptable amounts of radiation given our previous exposure? My counterparts, the radiologists and radiology technicians are extremely concerned about receiving any additional radiation outside what is required (and monitored very closely) for our jobs. Have there been any scientific studies regarding this? And if so, can you please cite the studies so that I can read them. Thank you. I have asked this question before on the blog and it was never answered.

Anonymous said...

Why did you remove http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/taking_pictures?

Monte said...

TSA will never catch a terrorist with a working explosive device at a scanner checkpoint.

What will a competent terrorist who realizes they are about to caught do?

>>>BOOM<<<

...scratch one checkpoint and everyone in it.

And if the device doesn't work at the checkpoint, it probably won't work on the plane.

EM said...

do the TSA change their gloves or do they wear a single pair for the entire shift or repeated days?

Anonymous said...

I'd rather drink Buzzard Puke then fly on KGB Airlines.

Anonymous said...

The price of flying verse driving is that you have to under go TSA Screenings. I want them to keep putting pressure on the bad guys. If you don't want to be patted down take the car.
You do have your rights. They are; drive if you wish and wear a seatbelt, take Greyhound, Amtrak or buy your own airplane, but if you buy a commercial airline ticket you must summit to the security.
Get over it and stop whining.
HT Indiana

Anonymous said...

So I was looking for a full body massage.....

Anonymous said...

any comment on this article about an army vet repeatedly having her groin checked because she was menstrating?


http://blog.gladrags.com/2010/11/24/tsa-groin-searches-menstruating-woman/

Anonymous said...

I find it rather funny that the federal government agrees that it is just fine that over 40,000 people are killed each year in car wrecks, but heaven forbid if just one person dies of a terrorist attack through an aircraft.

Car wrecks are easily preventable - take away the cars.

The government has established the acceptable level of loss by allowing so many to die on our roads. So why the huge concern over one plane load of people?

Daniel said...

Why has the delete-o-meter not moved in several days? Please update it. Comments are obviously being deleted.

penguirl said...

Vetted? I don't think the TSA knows what vetted means.

Anonymous said...

I would love to know the status of the TSA agents in Phoenix who denied the mothers right to carry breastmilk? Are they still employeed? I sure hope not!!! They are sick and must not have ever had children who needed to eat!!

lovinangels said...

So, I would love to hear your take on this little gem.
http://www.sustainablemothering.com/2010/11/26/just-when-you-thought-it-was-safe-to-travel-with-breast-milk-the-tsa-targets-mothers/

Smashley said...

I think the breastmilk issue needs to be discussed. It has apparently been swept under the rug.

http://networkedblogs.com/b4F28?a=share&ref=nf

Anonymous said...

Many health professionals have opted out of commercial flying years ago after seeing how screening is done.

Thousands of people walk barefoot at the inspection stations. Your feet become only as clean as the most infected feet there. You can pick up the planters' wart virus, athlete's foot, even MRSA. You're better off walking barefoot in the rest room as that tends to get cleaned several times a day, unlike the inspection stations.

Think TSA officials care? C'mon, there are no big contracts for friends and cronies for keeping you safe and well.

Commercial flight has become a health hazard.

Anonymous said...

So many people talk about how people that don't agree with the TSA regime or treatment should just not fly. For many of us that isn't a option since we have to travel for work. I also have residences in Arizona, and Maui and it's pretty hard to drive between the two.

Riley said...

I would like to know whether the TSA agents who singled out and harassed a mother for not wanting her breast milk x-rayed are being punished in some way. Breast milk is classified as a medical liquid, and does not need to be scanned or in 3-ounce containers, though hers was. I'd like to hear that those agents have been fired.

Anonymous said...

Second attempt to leave this comment:

What's the status on Stacey Armato, who was detained for over an hour, while her milk was mishandled by agents who denied her her legal rights?

It was clearly vengeful behavior. What was the disciplinary action taken?

Thank you.

RB said...

Bob, two high profile events placing TSA in a bad light have happened over the last several days.

One a TSA BDO has been charged with rape. This person also apparently tried to commit suicide.

The kicker was this person had a criminal history and jail time for being a stalker.

Why did TSA hire another known criminal?

The second incident is the one where the lady was held hostage by TSA for requesting that her packaged breast milk be screened by methods other than xray. Screeners up to the level of a suited TSA employee all engaged in this case of holding a person hostage for the simple reason of pay back for a prior screening where the same lady at the same airport ran into the same screeners who apparently make up TSA rules as they go.

So why has TSA not made a statement about either incident?

Is it TSA policy now to persecute a person who request alternative screening?

Isn't that against the law?

RB said...

When is TSA going to come out of hiding and discuss the latest screening fiasco that resulted in a lady being held hostage by TSA?

Is TSA afraid to address this matter?

Anonymous said...

anon said:
Many health professionals have opted out of commercial flying years ago after seeing how screening is done.

Thousands of people walk barefoot at the inspection stations. Your feet become only as clean as the most infected feet there. You can pick up the planters' wart virus, athlete's foot, even MRSA. You're better off walking barefoot in the rest room as that tends to get cleaned several times a day, unlike the inspection stations.

Think TSA officials care? C'mon, there are no big contracts for friends and cronies for keeping you safe and well.

Commercial flight has become a health hazard."

you are allowed to wear socks, i have seen plenty of people complaine about walking through barefoot when they could be wearing socks. its quite obvious that you have to take your shoes off so i think its user error for making these complaints.

RB said...

you are allowed to wear socks, i have seen plenty of people complaine about walking through barefoot when they could be wearing socks. its quite obvious that you have to take your shoes off so i think its user error for making these complaints.

November 28, 2010 6:54 PM

.................
Socks generally have a fairly high level of moisture giving any bacteria or germs picked up by walking on a filthy TSA floor opportunity to not only grow but infect the wearer.

Removing shoes is a pointless and wasteful exercise.

RB said...

What's the status on Stacey Armato, who was held hostage by TSA for over an hour, while her milk was mishandled by agents who denied her her legal rights?

Are you not commenting because of pending litigation?

Anonymous said...

Explain yourselves, TSA.

http://thestir.cafemom.com/baby/113023/tsa_targets_breastfeeding_mother

This makes me sick to my stomach. Is the TSA here to keep us safe, or to act as playground bullies?

Anonymous said...

The TSA is an insult to the worldwide community. Learn the constitution of the country you are operating in and conform to it or be imprisoned.

Anonymous said...

We have gone from taking our shoes off to nothing short of a criminal style roadside stripsearch! I can see patrick henry, sam adams, Thomas jefferson and george washington letting the redcoats stripsearch their wives and daughters to get a ferry across the delaware river in the name of security....NOT....GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH! I dont fear terrorist! I will never give up liberty for security.

Anonymous said...

The TSA needs to be dismantled; It's annual 7 billion dollar budget could be used so much better is so many different places in this county.

This dog and pony show does not provide any real security rather just a false sense of security to the sheep who believe what they are told to believe.

1984 reality is closer than you think...

Anonymous said...

These new policies are deterring me from flying and I recently heard that my brother isn't coming to visit us because he doesn't want to fly. I have concerns that the Airline Industry's financial situation is going to worsen.

There are multiple countries around the world who are doing much better than TSA. TSA is too distracted by its current screen process to notice a real terrorist. Only intelligence and profiling will catch a real terrorist. No matter what is done, it will never eliminate the risk of a terrorist boarding a plane. Why harrass people you know 100% are innocent? It won't stop a real terrorist who will know how to get around it.

I also have concerns that sexual offenders will be attracted to this job at TSA to satisfy their needs without consequence of their actions. What are you doing to protect the American people from these people? And TSA workers should always be held accountable for inappropriate actions of any worker's conduct. I would hope that TSA is holding their workers to a high standard of professionalism and disciplines those that do not. If you do not hold them accountable, do you expect the American people to entrust you with their security? American people are very willing to cooperate as long as they are respected and treated professionally and TSA workers are held accountable and there is an appropriate policy/procedure in place for complaints to be addressed fairly.

Lisa B said...

I am also disturbed by the recent incident in Phoenix regarding the treatment of the mother carrying breastmilk. I have never been so concerned about flying as I have been after watching that video. It shows a flagrant disregard for human rights and TSA policy. Failure occured at so many levels - from the security guard, agents & manager to those who failed to release the entire video. Criminals and those who disrespect and disregard rules and laws cannot keep us safe,and they certainly cannot keep us free.

IamIrene said...

Dear TSA Blog,

I would very much like to hear the TSA's reply to accusations by Stacey Armato (recent flight, PHX to LAX) who requested (in alignment with TSA breast milk policies) to have the breast milk she was carrying with her go through "special screening" instead of being x-rayed.

Her request was denied by the TSA personnel at the gate and, even though she had printed a copy of the breast milk policy from the TSA website stating: "Breast milk is in the same category as liquid medications", she was told she had two choices only; have it x-rayed or throw it out.

Please tell me how the TSA justifies the disregarding of its' own policies?

ARTICLE:
http://fromtheold.com/news/politics/tsa-agents-creates-own-rules-locks-mother-glass-box-20872

Anonymous said...

I asked this earlier but it didn't get posted.

Why doesn't TSA use software to distort the naked figures on the scanners. Surely this would take care of privacy concerns. There have been a couple of suggestions for this. One that would take very little time to change the software on the machines.

As far as testing this could be done in a few months. I'm a six sigma black belt who has experience in gathering data and interpreting it. It should not take a million scans to get a good sample size to verify the that the new software can recognize threats on a distorted form.

I'm not sure why TSA insited on using naked figures when it was not needed.

I response to this would be nice. We don't have to wait for the "next generation" scanner to do this.

Anonymous said...

Can you let us know whether any disciplinary action was taken against the TSA agents who refused to follow written screening policies for breast milk, in the case of Stacy Armato at the Phoenix airport earlier this year? If no actions have been taken against these agents, why not? What is the TSA's official line on this story? If this story is true, why does the TSA permit its agents to go rogue and create their own policies and procedures, even when faced with written proof of what the existing procedures are? If you haven't disciplined these agents, how do you deter TSA agents from harboring petty grievances, and using their authority to take revenge on passengers who have offended them in the past? If these agents haven't been disciplined, why should we trust the TSA to monitor itself?

Full story here: http://networkedblogs.com/b4F28

Anonymous said...

What's the status on Stacey Armato?

Anonymous said...

Bob,
Can you please address the woman in OKC that was screened in her bra and underwear? I have watched the video, and it appears to me this "woman" is in fact a silicone woman/robot. I have seen several documentaries on the silicone replicas of women, but never seen one in which they can move. Call me crazy, but have you heard anything about this and can you provide insight on my theory? And if in fact I am crazy and this is a real person, can people really go through the aiport dressed that way? Thank you! Link to video: http://www.newsok.com/in-her-bra-panties-and-wheelchair-woman-passes-through-okc-airport-screening/multimedia/video/694556599001

Anonymous said...

Not going to let up on the Stacey Armato issue. Please address it.

RB said...

Anonymous said...
Not going to let up on the Stacey Armato issue. Please address it.

December 2, 2010 3:02 PM

...................
The lady is a lawyer so I hear.

At least TSA could say no comment due to pending litigation.

I guess TSA prefers just sticking its collective head in the sand over being upfront and honest with the citizens of this country.

What Gives? said...

Blogger GSOLTSO said...

Mary asked - "I was wondering if there is a limit to how many carry ons a person can take if they are taking a son/daughter under the age of two?"

Good question Mary. The airlines are the ones that determine the number of bags that are allowed to be carried. When you are preparing to fly the next time, contact the specific airline that you are traveling with, and they would be able to give you the amount of carryons allowed. Sorry I am not able to give you a specific answer, but it can vary from airline to airline! Take care and come see us again sometime!

West
TSA Blog Team



If its true that the TSA doesn't have control over the number of carry-on items you have, and that it isn't a matter on the TSA's radar, why do the TSO's at the airport always tell you in the security line that you aren't allowed more than one carry-on and a personal item? For instance, I travel with a duffel bag, and a backpack as carry-on items, but usually I have my purse out of my backpack in the security line to have access to my boarding pass and ID. Invariably, if I haven't put my purse in my backpack yet, a TSO will tell me I can't have three bags, as only two are allowed as carry-on items. So, if carry-ons don't matter to the TSA, why do they always tell me to consolidate my bags?

TSORon said...

Anonymous said…
“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” Benjamin Franklin
-----------------------------------“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
George Santayana

I'd rather not if you dont mind.

TSORon said...

Susan D. said...
So, if the pat downs are non-sexual, why does the TSA do it with same gender staff. It seems they are default acknowledging it could very well be seen as sexual, and therefore the complaints justified
-------------------------------
For your comfort, and to preclude many issues that may arise from opposite gender screening. But you already knew that.

TSORon said...

Daniel said...
Why is the TSA acting like a bunch of whiny brats, and participating in the arresting of people who are clearly not terrorists? Stop it already. Just give up. Respond to this recent incident where a man was arrested for stripping to his underwear and a woman was started for filming it: http://www.indyposted.com/128555/man-strips-instead-of-going-through-another-tsa-pat-down/
-----------------------------------TSO’s don’t have the authority to arrest passengers. But you already knew that didn’t you.

TSORon said...

Anonymous asked...
any comment on this article about an army vet repeatedly having her groin checked because she was menstrating?


http://blog.gladrags.com/2010/11/24/tsa-groin-searches-menstruating-woman/

----------------------------
Its not an article, it’s a blog. My daughter blogs about her boyfriends all day long and given that she is a teenager its naturally difficult to tell the fact from the fiction. But then again its negative about the TSA and therefore must be the truth, right?

Its spelled G-U-L-L-I-B-L-E.

Mindless Rants said...

I flew this week for work, and had in my luggage my favorite pair of black and white Anne Klein heels. Upon my return I was unpacking my suitcase and had the TSA Notice of Baggage Inspection. I had packed two pairs of heels; and very quickly noticed that the aformentioned Anne Kleins were MIA. I have inspected the TSA Website and will submit a claim using the appropriate methods - but thought that I would leave a post as well. I fully understand that all employers do their best to employ respectable and committed staff; TSA more so than the rest due to the . . . sensitivity of their profession, but am dismayed at my loss at the hands of an organization whose sole purpose is to protect travelers. It's very disheartening. I'm sure that one or two bad apples are ruining the bunch and applaud those that take their job seriously.

Not Blogger Bob said...

Here's my off topic post. Why is my tax dollars paying for this stupid blog that does nothing?

Anonymous said...

TSORon said:

"Its not an article, it’s a blog. "
------------------------------------
So is this.

Pretty big dig on Bob and yourself...

Curious in Kansas City said...

Blogger Bob, repeatedly people here are asking for a comment/clarification on the Stacey Armato incident, in which it appeared that she was "punished" by the TSA for filing a claim against them the week before.

Can you please address this in a future blog post? I'm not sure I understand why you are ignoring numerous requests for clarification.

I'm really trying to have an open mind about the whole incident, and yet - the silence on this blog is becoming very deafening.

justmyopinion said...

Hey Bob, when are you going to address the Stacey Armato incident? According to Inside Edition TSA issued an apology. See below quote from Inside Edition report. "The TSA sent INSIDE EDITION a statement saying they have apologized to Stacey, adding they hope they "can learn and take corrective action from this unfortunate incident." However, Stacey says she never received an apology." Why can't you address this issue? It appears to be just another example of the abuses American citizens receive at the hands of the power hungry TSA employees. My Dad always told me, "if you screw up you should fess up". When are you going to fess up for TSA? You're their mouth piece, Right?

Blogger Bob said...

Everybody who's asking for a post about the Breast Milk Incident:

No promises as to when it will be posted, but I'm on it.

Thanks,

Blogger Bob
TSA Blog Team

RB said...

Blogger Bob said...
Everybody who's asking for a post about the Breast Milk Incident:

No promises as to when it will be posted, but I'm on it.

Thanks,

Blogger Bob
TSA Blog Team

December 3, 2010 3:59 PM

...............
We can give you a point to the video.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Bob said...
Everybody who's asking for a post about the Breast Milk Incident:

No promises as to when it will be posted, but I'm on it.

Thanks,

Blogger Bob
TSA Blog Team
******
And I can tell you what the response from the TSA will be.
"We have taken appropriate action against the TSO's involved, but we are not allowed to tell you what that is. We have taken steps to educate our workforce on this matter, but we can't tell you what that is because it is SSI. Trust us this will never happen again."

Unless the TSA is willing to tell us exactly what they are doing regarding the staff who violated TSA policy and how they will prevent this from happening again any blog post is pointless.

Anonymous said...

I don't see that this new search policy is a big deal. Any prison intake area screens incoming inmates the same or even more stringently without fuss.

Too many babies out there crying for their "rights" and "mama's". We live in a dangerous world.

Ginc said...

It's December: why have no comments been moderated since Aug.4?

So you can marginalize the legitimate and unanswered questions relegated by you Blogger Bob, to your "difficult questions the TSA doesn't want me to address" zone, where you send rationality to die.

I'm writing this on Dec. 3, 2010 9:36 PST

RB said...

Anonymous said...
I don't see that this new search policy is a big deal. Any prison intake area screens incoming inmates the same or even more stringently without fuss.

Too many babies out there crying for their "rights" and "mama's". We live in a dangerous world.

December 3, 2010 11:18 PM


When did buying a ticket to fly commercial air become equivalent to being treated like a convict entering a prison?

A person is much more likely to die while traveling in a vehicle on the public roadways than from a terrorist action.

Perhaps the money wasted on TSA should be used to improve the safety of the highways.

Anonymous said...

"When did buying a ticket to fly commercial air become equivalent to being treated like a convict entering a prison?

Believe me, inmates can be very clever when it comes to contraband. TSA, police. school administrators and private security could learn a lot from working in a prison intake unit. We'd all be safer.

Anonymous said...

I ran across an article where the media was called by TSA to tell them they were using the wrong scanner images for the public. They told them to use the TSA approved images. Of course in the "ghost" images you can clearly see the man's genitals.

Does the TSA use that image in airports or do the use the other images that are not as clear? I've only see the less revealing images put up in the airports, never the Ghost images. I think If people say those, blowen up so you could actually see them, that they would think twice about going through a scanner and having their civil rights taken away.

RB said...

Anonymous said...
"When did buying a ticket to fly commercial air become equivalent to being treated like a convict entering a prison?

Believe me, inmates can be very clever when it comes to contraband. TSA, police. school administrators and private security could learn a lot from working in a prison intake unit. We'd all be safer.

December 4, 2010 6:30 PM

..............
How inmates are treated or how skillful they are to get contraband inside a prison has no bearing on someone buying a ticket to fly commercial air, or at least it should not.

People flying are not criminals, even though TSA treats us like convicts and I for one resent being treated as such.

There is no large effort to bring contraband on airplanes in an attempt to take over the aircraft.

Millions of people fly yearly and not one case of a terrorist act has been interdicted by TSA.

TSA is mostly a dog and pony show just to make the occasional once a year flyer feel safe.

TSA is for the most part a serious waste of limited resources and does not accomplish anything of value.

Lets put the money TSA is weeing down the drain to some good use.

Anonymous said...

"People flying are not criminals..."

I wish I could look through rose colored glasses at the world. We've seen terrorists on a plane time and again. Just recently one with a bomb in his underwear and another that left a bomb in NYC. Guns, knives, grenades are often found at search points.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee. We're in a war on terror and anything goes. The bad attitude of some travelers only aid and abet terrorism.

Anonymous said...

id have to say in the history of this blog that there arent as many individual posts on here as travelers on 1 day on flights in the US. i cant believe how people think that this has made a difference. how many changes has this blog brought about? you talk about how many terrorists has tsa caught? how about how many changes has this blog brought about in tsa. id say is pretty even... and you continue to use complain, remember the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"When did buying a ticket to fly commercial air become equivalent to being treated like a convict entering a prison?

Believe me, inmates can be very clever when it comes to contraband. TSA, police. school administrators and private security could learn a lot from working in a prison intake unit. We'd all be safer.

December 4, 2010 6:30 PM

..............
How inmates are treated or how skillful they are to get contraband inside a prison has no bearing on someone buying a ticket to fly commercial air, or at least it should not.

People flying are not criminals, even though TSA treats us like convicts and I for one resent being treated as such.

There is no large effort to bring contraband on airplanes in an attempt to take over the aircraft.

Millions of people fly yearly and not one case of a terrorist act has been interdicted by TSA.

TSA is mostly a dog and pony show just to make the occasional once a year flyer feel safe.

TSA is for the most part a serious waste of limited resources and does not accomplish anything of value.

Lets put the money TSA is weeing down the drain to some good use.

December 5, 2010 10:10 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"People flying are not criminals..."

I wish I could look through rose colored glasses at the world. We've seen terrorists on a plane time and again. Just recently one with a bomb in his underwear and another that left a bomb in NYC. Guns, knives, grenades are often found at search points.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee. We're in a war on terror and anything goes. The bad attitude of some travelers only aid and abet terrorism

.................................

How often do you fly? Do you not realize or care that our rights protected by the constitution are being taken from us?

Remember in the 1930s there was a country that started taking away individual rights of its citizens in order to "protect" them from a great evil.

Are you really willing to give up your freedom for false sense of safety. TSA has already come out and said there is no one they can catch every act of terrorism.

The good news is that most terrorists have no interested in blowing up planes. If they wanted to kill American citizens with explosives there are far easier ways than airplanes.

Anonymous said...

Wow, just read about the bay watch woman who was called aside for "extra" screening because she "caught the eye" of a TSO. Then she had to endure TSOs leering at her. Very professional.

Then the best thing yet. The TSA representative said he thought it was funny that she was uncomfortable. I'm assuming the is a TSA manager. What a great example he is showing to his people. Didn't all the TSA people have to sign a paper stating they would treat people with respect?

Anonymous said...

Can you please give justice to the woman (the mother who was trying to get alternate screening for breast milk) who was harassed because she complained against TSA screeners in spite of showing them TSA policy? Also, make this an example for other TSA screeners and let them all know that justice was served.

Anonymous said...

I wish I could look through rose colored glasses at the world. We've seen terrorists on a plane time and again. Just recently one with a bomb in his underwear and another that left a bomb in NYC. Guns, knives, grenades are often found at search points.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee. We're in a war on terror and anything goes. The bad attitude of some travelers only aid and abet terrorism.
..........................

How many of your rights are you willing to give up to stop "terrorism"

Don't you remember a certain country in the 1930s that removed rights from citizens to protect them from the "evils" of another group of people.

I guess you are willing to trade a false sense of security for your constitutionally protected rights. I am not.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:

"Time to wake up and smell the coffee. We're in a war on terror and anything goes. The bad attitude of some travelers only aid and abet terrorism."

I totally agree. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee. The object of terrorism is to terrorize. By changing our behavior - being terrified - the terrorists win. It's time we stopped the theater, returned to pre-2001 levels of air security and show the terrorists we will not succumb to terror. To suggest that we willfully subject ourselves to all these gropings and being viewed naked only aid and abet terrorism.

J. Settle said...

TSA has received considerable unfair criticism for security procedures that involve the new, what I will term, 'X-ray machines' or standard 'pat downs'.

Here is my only issue - being separated from my valuables such as a laptop and billfold. These represent value to me and lie unattended and available for anyone to grab while I am contained in the x-ray machine or a pat down. TSA hopefully will work to improve security of traveler valuables.

jane doe said...

Please be clear and unambiguous. Before your invasive pat-down, please inform flyers that you will slide your hand up their legs facing both the front of them and the back of them until your hands reach and touch our genitals. When you say "resistance" this does not give passengers a clear picture of what is going to happen, and I usually request that strangers explicitly tell me when they are going to touch my genitals.

Unless this means I am allowed to wear pants that have a crotch that starts near the knees, and since you will meet resistance from the fabric at my knees your hands will go no further.

But in all seriousness (because I really do want a response to both my comment above and these next questions), I would like you to inform me of which clothing I may wear to avoid a pat down. Given that I'm allowed to opt-out, which I will as I'm genetically predisposed to cancer and I don't believe in others seeing nude pictures of me regardless of whether or not its 'deleted', AND that I am a sexual assault survivor who does not at all want to be touched near or on my genitals/breast area, I want to know what my options are. If I wear a thin spandex/lycra suit will this allow me to avoid being pat down as you'd be able to see everything? I am being very serious in asking this. You really do not know how averse I am to being touched in those areas after being sexually assaulted.

Can you please make it SOP to allow passengers to remove their own clothing in the private rooms so as to avoid TSA employees touching their genitals? It would obviously be an option.

Anonymous said...

TSA: Overreative and Ineffectual

COLUMN: A nude awakening — TSA and privacy

http://oudaily.com/news/2010/dec/06/column-nude-awakening-tsa-and-privacy/

Excerpt: Would it be appropriate for the TSA to populate public parks, restaurants, casinos, zoos and public transit, all in the name of security? After all, in 2006 the Dpartment of Homeland Security listed those places as “top terrorist targets.” And if we were to use the same logic forwarded by TSA-proponents, we would say that because people aren’t required to go to these places, it’s okay to coerce them into abridging their rights. It’s their choice, after all. Yet, we obviously wouldn’t accept such a system if it were implemented, so why do we accept the same humiliating system at airports?l

Nick said...

I love this Blog! I'm glad off topic blogs have a spot. I love to see how the American Patriots are so up in arms about getting rid of TSA. They are willing to fight for their rights to be free! I love to see Americans fight for their happiness and equal treatment!
But lets face it most people complaining about TSA have never served their country. I have I've been deployed twice; once to Iraq and once to Afghanistan. I have seen the enemy and had to take appoirate action; but lets look back on Sept. 11, 2001 some jerks with box cutters and threating words are able to take control of planes and crash them in to our buildings.
Now let me ask you America where were you on that plane? Where was the fire that you have in your hearts that you have for getting rid TSA on that day? That fighting spirit? Only one plane fought back and it still went down.
Although TSA can be a pain at times it is very nessessery for our country. They stop these would be terrorist everyday. Us the public don't see it, the TSA doesn't see it because these terrorist look like me and you. But TSA takes away their tools to cause great harm.
I feel safe that someone is scanning our property and if need be pat me down because I was forgetful about my cell phone in my pocket. We need TSA and last time I saw flying wasn't a right its a privliege. If you don't like it ride a bus. God bless America and God bless TSA for all the insults and abuse they get.

Anonymous said...

I have a question about the screening of children. I've read that children are being told the pat downs are a game, and I'm deeply disturbed by this thought. Can anyone please tell me this isn't true? It would be very inappropriate to teach young children that being touched by a stranger is in any way a game.

rxantos said...

Could you please tell me where do I get a copy of the rules that the TSA must follow, and who is responsible for its accountability?

curious in Kansas City said...

This new incident just reported:

The Ambassador from India was patted down in Mississippi. However, per the reports:

"The guidelines also allow searches to be conducted in private if a passenger requests. Witnesses said Shankar asked for a private screening, but she was led to a clear box where two officers searched her in clear view."

What can be done when we request private screenings, but are led to a clear box, instead? Is a clear box considered "private"?

Ayn R. Key said...

Nick, quit with the "I'm military so you should shut up" bluster. I'm a veteran, so it doesn't carry any weight with me in the first place.

Now lets look at what our service means. We swore to defend the constitution. The TSA violates the constitution. Therefore by our oaths we should oppose the TSA. One of us is fulfilling our oath, the other is saying "most people complaining about TSA have never served their country".

I didn't serve to protect the constitution only to have a rogue agency usurp it. Why are you serving?

So, you once again trot out the old "flying is a privilege not a right" card, even though it has been shown to be false. Shall I do it again?

There are two fundamental rights involved, the right to travel and the right to contract. If you convince an airline to sell you an airline ticket, that is a contract between you and the airline. Third parties have no right to interfere in any private contract. The TSA is a third party interposing itself between the two parties of a contract.

It's pretty basic.

Anonymous said...

Is there a reason some airports have "glass cages" that they put "customers" in? Is there any correlation btw the airports with glass cages and those with the worst passenger customer service? Tone from the TSA in these cases seems to yield guard/prisoner atmosphere.

Seems like the TSA sends the wrong message by treating common travelers like animals by caging them.

Will there be a response to the Indian ambassador who was denied a private screening? What type of reprimand will those TSA employees receive for violating TSA policy and customer rights?

Anonymous said...

To those that say we need to do away with the TSA you are off base. We need the TSA or something like it. The public needs more of a say in how the TSA handles things. Clearly they won't listen to anyone. The incident with the highest diplomat there is from India is a case in point. Someone needs to us some common sense. The TSOs and supervisors need to be able to make judgement calls. The one size fits all doesn't work. At least it didn't with the pilots and the crew of planes.

I'm not sure what "Nick" was trying to get at saying people who use this blog never served. Maybe he thinks there are a bunch of left wing radicals on the web. I for one did serve for nine years. I was in the first gulf war. But I didn't serve to be strip searched at the airport in order to fly. I've mentioned a couple of times that TSA could get rid of the fourth amendment thing if they would just distort the images. Then everyone could go through the scanner. I've never heard a response from TSA on this.

Anyway don't think your being in the military is going to hold any weight. You pretty much do what you're told to do. If the Sgt says go through the scanner you go. Could you imagine a troop saying it violates my civil rights I'm not going? I do thank you for your service and all veterans who made the choice to serve and protect their country. I thank those in the TSA who are helping to protect our country. I just think this thing could be done better.

Anonymous said...

Just wanted to post on something. A lot of people are happy that some airports are proposing to change from the TSA to private screeners. The only problem is that the private company is going to hire the same screeners that are already there. They have the knowlege and skills to do the job. If you hell bent on having a private company do it just remember that the supervisors, leads and officers are probably former TSA employees. Same ways of doing things same polices. There won't be much difference.

Jane Doe said...

TSA, I look forward to your timely response to my original post. For purposes of expediency, I will restate my request/question:

1. Please require TSA employees to EXPLICITLY tell flyers if and when they will touch their genitals/breasts/buttocks in explicit terms. ie: Do not say "I will slide my hands until they reach resistance" please say "I will slide my hands until they reach your genitals" if that is what you are going to do.

2. Given I have a family history of cancer and I am a sexual assault survivor, both of your options are intensely unrealistic to me, regardless of your incorrect assertions that the machines are entirely innocuous. Please inform me of a type of clothing that will immediately show your employees that there is nothing under my clothes that needs their attention. My suggestion was a full body, thin lycra/spandex suit. I will also suggest my underwear or a bikini. These options seem to eliminate need of search.

I will add another request:

3. REQUIRE TSA employees to change gloves regardless of whether the flyer asks them to, and do so in plain sight of the flyer. New gloves should NOT be taken out of a pocket; they should be obviously unused and taken out of a box of new gloves. The law suits could be quite severe if you were to search someone who was wearing a skirt with no underwear and your employee touched his/her genitals/inner thigh with a gloved hand that had been used to search many other people, regardless if that flyer asked for them to be changed. Given the number of individuals you will be touching this seems obvious. I (and I'm assuming many would as well) consider this similar to a doctor not washing his hands before seeing a patient (as they wash their hands regardless of weather or not they'll be touching intimate body parts).

I appreciate your timely response. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

The day that every one of you at the TSA is put out on the street will not come soon enough. You all should be fired.

Anonymous said...

Nicks statement is truly sad of course many of us have served in the military and Ii also did 20 years in law enforcement all to help protect our American rights and freedoms. If Nick did in fact serve as stated he is one of the few veterans that I have ever known, that believes in comfort over freedom. Shame on those like him.

RB said...

Couple of recent observations of TSA screening.

On Dec 6 I transited DFW C30 checkpoint. The screening was quick, quite, and I had no issues. The Porno-Viewer was roped off and I also noted that all screeners present were One Strippers. No LTSO or STSO were visible and I stopped and counted heads.

On Dec 10 going through LAS D checkpoint all Porno-Viewers were shutdown. Thanks TSA!! Also while the checkpoint was not overly busy the wait for screening seemed overly long with few lanes open. I did note that no screeners were calling out loudly like has been noted in the past making the checkpoint a bit more calm.

Anonymous said...

LATEST from the Journal of Transportation Security:

"An evaluation of airport x-ray backscatter units based on image characteristics,"

SUMMARY: Scanners trivially defeated by pancake-shaped explosives:

http://springerlink.com/content/g6620thk08679160/fulltext.pdf

Anonymous said...

Pistole said in a recent interview that the TSA does not make the people who WORK in the secure areas of airports go through security. THAT CREATES A MASSIVE SECURITY HOLE, ONE THAT YOU COULD FLY A 747 THROUGH!!

It would be so incredibly easy and obvious to "plant" an accomplice on the work force and then have THEM bring the explosives through security.

EVERYTHING THAT THE TSA IS DOING TO THE PUBLIC IS A CRIMINAL FRAUD AS LONG AS THE ABOVEMENTIONED CONDITIONS REMAIN.

EVERY RATIONALE, EVERY EXCUSE, EVERY REASON THAT WE ARE GIVEN AS A JUSTIFICATION FOR ALLOWING OUR RIGHTS TO BE ERODED IS A LIE!!!!!!

Pure irrefutable logic, post this Blogmeisters.

Bubba said...

Bob,

If you are going to delete half my posts requesting an answer to that Nature article saying there is no science behind your activities, published way back in May, I am just going to have to write double as many messages on this subject.

Anonymous said...

TSA scores again! Way to go guys: another diplomatic incident sparked!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKYun5AL4mY

Anonymous said...

Nick said:

"I love this Blog! I'm glad off topic blogs have a spot. I love to see how the American Patriots are so up in arms about getting rid of TSA. They are willing to fight for their rights to be free! I love to see Americans fight for their happiness and equal treatment!
But lets face it most people complaining about TSA have never served their country. I have I've been deployed twice; once to Iraq and once to Afghanistan."


Thanks for serving. Me, too, almost 25 years and counting but that misses the point. Part of the reason that I serve is so that Americans of all backgrounds can exercise their Constitutional rights. Are you against that? Do you believe that since you served in the Armed Forces (if you really did), that you have more rights than those who didn't?


"Now let me ask you America where were you on that plane? Where was the fire that you have in your hearts that you have for getting rid TSA on that day? That fighting spirit? Only one plane fought back and it still went down."

Huh?

"Although TSA can be a pain at times it is very nessessery for our country. They stop these would be terrorist everyday."

The TSA stops terrorists every day? Please cite your source for this shocking assertion!


"Us the public don't see it, the TSA doesn't see it because these terrorist look like me and you."

They may look like you but unless you're a foreign-born, young adherent of Islam, they don't.

"But TSA takes away their tools to cause great harm.
I feel safe that someone is scanning our property and if need be pat me down because I was forgetful about my cell phone in my pocket."

Were you threatening people by forgetting to take out your cell phone? You really feel safe because you were required to take out your cell phone? REALLY? That must be one heck of a cell phone.


"We need TSA and last time I saw flying wasn't a right its a privliege. If you don't like it ride a bus."

Why do you say it's a privilege? Can the government deny this privilege based on whatever characteristic it cares to? How about denying it to the elderly? Denying it to Asian Americans?

At what point do you draw the line?

"God bless America and God bless TSA for all the insults and abuse they get."

I agree: May God bless America. But the poster needs to man up and realize a couple of truths: America's greatness comes from its people and the rights of the people come from God. Think about what's important; the poster is throwing America down the road to tyranny.

Anonymous said...

so ayn because nick doesnt agree with your views hes told to stuff it? what about the first amendment of the constitution that u served to protect? seems like you are the one that is being as anti-constitutional as nick because he isnt allowed to speak his oppinion?
how is tsa going against the constitution when all people voluntarily submit themselves for a search? they know what is going to happen when they chose to go through so they are accepting what will happen. there are signs and such in front of all tsa areas stating what will and/or could happen by going through. the tsa is not coming to your house and searching you, you as a passenger are requesting it by going through the checkpoint. so its pretty cut and dry. if you do not want to be screened then you shouldnt present yourself for the screening.

RB said...

Time to wake up and smell the coffee. We're in a war on terror and anything goes. The bad attitude of some travelers only aid and abet terrorism.

December 5, 2010 1:09 PM

No, "anything goes" is not the Constitutional answer and if you are a TSA employee shows a distinct lack of understanding of how our system of government works.

That pesky old "Constitution" applies to all government and limits what government can do.

If it is not spelled out in the Constitution then Federal Government cannot do it, those things are left to the states and individuals.

What I fail to understand is just why TSA feels its ok to violate the public trust while violating the tenets of the Constitution.

Didn't all TSA employees take an Oath to defend the Constitution?

The bigger question is why are you violating your Oaths?

RB said...

Bob, a couple of areas of questioning.

First, TSA claims the images from the WBI Strip Search Machines are not revealing, safe for the cover of Readers Digest, and ok for young children to view so just why is it necessary to hide the TSA viewer of these images off in some undisclosed location?

Seems TSA is not being upfront about the quality of these images if all of those precautions are really needed.

Second, just why are Pat Downs conducted by same sex screeners when TSA claims these pat downs are not invasive or sexual?

Are we to believe that the pat down of ones genitals is not sexual?

Ayn R. Key said...

Anonymous wrote:
so ayn because nick doesnt agree with your views hes told to stuff it? what about the first amendment of the constitution that u served to protect?

When you can tell the difference between debunking an illegitimate argument and censorship, and when you learn to use your "shift" key, then perhaps I will pay attention to your fallacious accusation.

On the other hand, perhaps since you think that debunking an argument and censorship are the same thing, perhaps you think I am "censoring" you right now. I would not be surprised if everyone you met constantly "censored" you.

Anonymous said...

I had the same question regarding why the screeners had to be in a separate far-away room if the image was indeed so "fuzzy." I mean, the picture posted outside (some) scanners is pretty generic, most people assume its going to look like that, i'm sure that's the point as well.

The images shown by the news media when doing airport interviews of the image screeners room + computer screen also differ. There's one video from CBS back in Aug'10 which shows a women's nipples and genitals pretty clearly, but ones from Nov'10 are generally fuzzy.

I guess it could be plausible that a software upgrade / privacy upgrades could have been done during that time. But the TSA has basically stated graphic detail is needed, so the media interviews are more likely to have been staged.

Anonymous said...

I understand that TSA is requiring passengers with certain medical conditions to carry new ID cards:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40647207/ns/travel-news/

Where can I find a list of what conditions are covered?

If I have a condition that doesn't affect screening, must I disclose it? For example, diabetes, arthritis, HIV, etc?

It seems like this is another example of you making us secret rules for us to follow.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone else find it interesting that Bob never responds to the "Please Post Off Topic Comments Here?" Does anyone else find it interesting that Bob's blog is always outdated on current issues regarding TSA?

Come on, update your blog to address what's happened recently. Such as the pat downs of India's ambassador.

RB said...

Anonymous said...
I had the same question regarding why the screeners had to be in a separate far-away room if the image was indeed so "fuzzy." I mean, the picture posted outside (some) scanners is pretty generic, most people assume its going to look like that, i'm sure that's the point as well.

The images shown by the news media when doing airport interviews of the image screeners room + computer screen also differ. There's one video from CBS back in Aug'10 which shows a women's nipples and genitals pretty clearly, but ones from Nov'10 are generally fuzzy.

I guess it could be plausible that a software upgrade / privacy upgrades could have been done during that time. But the TSA has basically stated graphic detail is needed, so the media interviews are more likely to have been staged.

December 14, 2010 1:23 AM

.................
I have noticed that many major TV news outlets use what I will term as privacy bands over the breast and gential areas of TSA's WBI images when reporting on the topic.

Now why would a major news agency feel the need to clean up these images if they are tame enough for young children to view?

It is clear that TSA is not being honest in regards to the Strip Search Machine images.

Anonymous said...

What about this lovely little incident?

Harassing a women with a mastectomy is bad enough. Then when her teenage son asked a TSA supervisor why he wasn't being patted down, the TSO said "you don’t have boobs."

http://mediaite.com/a/qprtx

Anonymous said...

I have a question. Does TSA work outside of the United States? In other words, would TSA have people stationed in an airport in, say, Europe or Asis?

Anonymous said...

Come on Bob, update your Blog!

Anonymous said...

This is where off-topic comments come to die. 700+ unresponded, and going strong.

RB said...

Bob, noticed during my recent trip through LAS was the observation that some TSA employees needed rollaboards to carry their personal belongings around.

We already know that TSA employees are not screened like those holding a ticket to fly but just what could a TSA employee need during the course of a work day that would require something the size of a suitcase?

Is there any policy of what amount of personal belongings can be taken to the checkpoint.

The obvious concern here is that a TSA rollaboard could easily be transferred to a bad actor on the sterile side of the checkpoint.

I would suggest that no TSA or other airport employee needs anything comparable to a rollaboard during a typical work day.

If these suitcases are approved for use by airport employees they should be extremely distinctive and identifiable.

I would suggest International Orange or distinctive markings if TSA condones this practice.

Anonymous said...

The TSA doesn't work outside the US, but the US does mandate certain safety protocols (taking off shows, interview q's) be done for flights going to the US from foreign countries. This is just from my experience with foreign travel. Traveling between foreign countries you won't find these extra security theatrics. Or at least I haven't.

Anonymous said...

ayn said:
"When you can tell the difference between debunking an illegitimate argument and censorship, and when you learn to use your "shift" key, then perhaps I will pay attention to your fallacious accusation.

On the other hand, perhaps since you think that debunking an argument and censorship are the same thing, perhaps you think I am "censoring" you right now. I would not be surprised if everyone you met constantly "censored" you."

yet another positive interaction with a negative blogger who has to resort to putting people down who disagree. why is it only the people who support the tsa that get this kind of treatment from you?

RB said...

Anonymous said...
The TSA doesn't work outside the US, but the US does mandate certain safety protocols (taking off shows, interview q's) be done for flights going to the US from foreign countries. This is just from my experience with foreign travel. Traveling between foreign countries you won't find these extra security theatrics. Or at least I haven't.

December 16, 2010 4:24 PM

..............
I think if you do a little searching you'll find that there are TSA types in foreign countries acting as advisors for security programs for traffic headed for the US.

RB said...

Gaping Holes in Airline Security: Loaded Gun Slips Past TSA Screeners


http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/loaded-gun-slips-past-tsa-screeners/story?id=12412458&page=2


"Despite the results, there is no sign that the numbers have changed as the screeners have been tested year after year, former Department of Homeland Security Inspector General Clark Kent Ervin told ABC News.

"Those reports were classified but it's sufficing to say that reports, both classified and unclassified, are concerning. Too often guns and knives and fake explosives get through the checkpoint," Ervin said. "And what is particularly concerning is that nine times out of 10 the checkpoint is the most critical layer of aviation security."




....................

So TSA employees are routinely failing Red Team Tests (nothing new about that) and since they cannot reliably find weapons and explosives TSA decides to sexually assault travelers.

Why not get the basics down first TSA?

Kinda puts that highly trained claim to rest, eh Bob?

Anonymous said...

How does it feel to be a huge joke?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/loaded-gun-slips-past-tsa-screeners/story?id=12412458&tqkw=&tqshow=WN&page=1

BB how do you do this job and defend this operation?

Bridget said...

I do not want to be pat down, I am a sexual violence survivor. It will be very damaging to be touched in the manner that the TSA does now. I want to be exempted from the pat down and the body scanner. What can the TSA do to accommodate me.

Anonymous said...

Bob,

Not sure if you ever comment on these off topic posts, but I have a question.

In this blog post (http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/12/tsa_says_you_can_go_through_th.php)an unnamed TSA spokesman said the TSA will not object (to a nude traveler going through a TSA security checkpoint): "Unless they're interfering with the screening procedure, it would not be an issue at the security checkpoint."

Can you please comment on official TSA policy in regards to nude travelers?

MarkVII said...

On the lighter side...

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/tsa-choir-holiday-spirit-pat-lax/story?id=12408175

Being a glee club member myself, I know how much work it is, but I also know how music warms people's hearts.

Hat's off to all involved, and Merry Christmas.

Mark

Anonymous said...

Hey Bob, any comment on this story:
TSA backs down on shirtless boy story
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50897668-76/tsa-chaffetz-says-agency.html.csp

Seems as though TSA supervisors and managers are still having great difficulty with truthfulness.
Or possibly I'm missing something here; feel free to fill us in...

RB said...

BB using the typical level of TSA transparency buried this remark in the old archieves instead of bringing it up to page one:

"Blogger Bob said...
Edited...


***Update 12/13/2010 10:30 AM *** New information was brought to light that indicated the initial report was incorrect. The TSA officer intended to pat down the child, due to a TSA requirement to check passengers with bulky clothing, which the boy was wearing, and not due to the walk through metal detector alarming.

Thanks,

Blogger Bob
TSA Blog Team

December 13, 2010 10:30 AM"

Anonymous said...

If I request clean gloves for my family will we be open to retribution by the guards?

Anonymous said...

How many complaints of sexual assault have been submitted to the TSA reqarding the breast, buttocks and genital searches that you have been performing?

Will you answer this question?

medical micky said...

is any one their

Anonymous said...

2 Blogs about Nail Clippers, 2 Blogs about Opt Out day, 1 Blog about the Breast Milk Incident, a Blog about the Delete-O-meter on the Main Blog page........

WHY HAVE YOU HIDDEN THE BLOG ABOUT THE BREAST, BUTTOCKS AND GROIN SEARCHES??????????????????????????

The intellecual dishonesty on display by the TSA at this site speaks VOLUMES about your inherent unstrustworthyness.

Anonymous said...

So let's see if I have this right. We pat down children, break urostomy bags, put people in boxes for following the rules, and yet WE MISS GUNS IN BAGS: http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7848683

Care to follow up on this one?

Ayn R. Key said...

Anonymous wrote:
yet another positive interaction with a negative blogger

I had a long response to this, but then I didn't want to "censor" you.

RB said...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/20/AR2010122005599.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2010122005959


Auditors question TSA's use of and spending on technology

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By Dana Hedgpeth
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, December 21, 2010; 12:55 AM

The Transportation Security Administration spent about $30 million on devices that puffed air on travelers to "sniff" them out for explosives residue. Those machines ended up in warehouses, removed from airports, abandoned as impractical.

Anonymous said...

Why has the topic on the strip search of the 3 year old boy been moved to the archives page?
Especially since on 12/13 you substantially revised the TSA's position on what happened with the little boy? It is thus a more recent post than the Thanksgiving wait line times!

The TSA's admission that the 3 year old did not set off the metal detector, and the claim that he was subjected to a pat-down because of "loose clothing" is patently ridiculous, as anyone viewing the video can see. And the TSA agent, for some reason watched by two other agents (did the poor little boy really need an audience?!) clearly touches the boy's front genital area. To make it worse, he then pats the boy on the head and puts his shirt on--clearly if inadvertently grooming the child for inappropriate touching by strangers. Of course parents do not dare protest such behavior, lest we end up with fines or being caged in a glass "cage" for an hour or more, like the poor woman in the breast milk nightmare.

The many manipulations of this blog, such as by burying your admission of the TSA's misrepresentation of what really happened to that little boy, are truly concerning.

Anonymous said...

To those who say "take a bus or train if you want to keep your rights": https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/16/AR2010121606977.html?sid=ST2010121802744

Anonymous said...

Bridget said:

"I do not want to be pat down, I am a sexual violence survivor. It will be very damaging to be touched in the manner that the TSA does now. I want to be exempted from the pat down and the body scanner. What can the TSA do to accommodate me."

Demand accomodation from the DHS IG although I doubt you'll get a response. Then, walk out of screening if a TSO attempts to pat you down. Finally, sue the TSA for millions.

I realize you might not be up for this but we need people to take this on.

RB said...

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/woman-files-complaint-against-orlando-tsa


Woman files complaint against Orlando TSA
Updated: Wednesday, 22 Dec 2010, 5:35 AM EST
Published : Tuesday, 21 Dec 2010, 8:40 PM EST

ORLANDO, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - A local woman claims the TSA mangled her luggage over the Thanksgiving holidays and now she is looking for answers.

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What is it that causes TSA to disrespect the public so greatly?

Like the lady said, if we can't trust TSA with our baggage how can we trust TSA with our lives?

Anonymous said...

http://money.cnn.com/2010/11/22/news/economy/tsa_screener/index.htm?iid=EAL

Says 6 pat downs at ORD resulted in passengers so annoyed they hit the officers. Does the TSA classify these as passenger complaints or use them only as examples to victimize officers?

Anonymous said...

There is not even a shred of intellectual honesty by the TSA on this Blog.

The TSA consistently refuses to post certain topics and questions.

The TSA has removed the Blog about the "enhanced pat downs" aka PUNITIVE BREAST, BUTTOCKS AND GROIN SEARCHES, and has hidden it in a difficult find part of the website.

Shame on you TSA, you people would be a good fit for the Pravda of the old Soviet Union.

Shame, shame, shame!

Anonymous said...

Haven't had time to read all 796 comments, but I wonder if this subject has been brought up:
http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/tsnm/index.shtm
"TSA's Office of Transportation Sector Network Management leads the unified national effort to protect and secure our nation's intermodal transportation systems... a sector that comprises all modes of transportation (Aviation, Maritime, Mass Transit, Highway, Freight Rail, and Pipeline)"

Since the TSA has authority over all of the interstate modes of travel, when should we expect the implementation of the current airline security measures across all methods of transportation?

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